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    Quote Originally Posted by jrobson View Post
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    But I don't follow your logic about androids and iPhones being used on these and this being the reason for no more controllers. Perhaps on SB3's/Touch's/Transports.
    Looks like the SB Touch was the product which caused the problem.

    I am on WinPhone now so no iPeng, I'll try it on my wife's iPhone, but nevertheless that won't be a solution in the long term. I'm actually more wondering along the lines of wireless controllers in use for other products that can be hacked to work on squeezebox's...
    So you don't have any Squeezeboxes, but you're looking for a dedicated SB controller? I guess the inability to follow logic is mutual. How on earth is the Touch "the product which caused the problem", whatever "the problem" is?

    There's an app for WinPhones now, so maybe you could try that. Search for it on these forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aubuti View Post
    So you don't have any Squeezeboxes, but you're looking for a dedicated SB controller? I guess the inability to follow logic is mutual. How on earth is the Touch "the product which caused the problem", whatever "the problem" is?

    There's an app for WinPhones now, so maybe you could try that. Search for it on these forums.
    The touch didn't sell well, there were many "deals" with lower pricing to try and improve sales.

    Yeah the winphone app works "ok", in some ways better, some things are missing, also had an issue with it corrupting the queued play list, never had the problem with the controller, in fact the controller continued working just fine. Of course when the phone rings there is no way to pause the music. Yes I have Squeezeboxe receivers, 2 of them, one I no longer use, only the controller since I play directly off PC, at the bottom I still have the DUET receiver and controller. But the controller is EOL, sooner or later it will stop working.

    Please see first post, I'm asking a question about an alternative, not about how to convince me to use current solutions, I think long term this would be a mini 4/5" tablet and accepting the touch interface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrobson View Post
    Please see first post, I'm asking a question about an alternative, not about how to convince me to use current solutions, I think long term this would be a mini 4/5" tablet and accepting the touch interface.
    Yeah, I read that:
    Quote Originally Posted by jrobson View Post
    Seems I'm one of few who doesn't like using touch devices as controllers.
    I am looking but I can't find anything, does anyone know of a dedicated controller available similar to the DUET model?

    I like the physical buttons, the wheel is great, but it has it's issues and since everything is discontinued.... Is there an alternative?
    So you don't like touch devices and you want physical buttons. But you think the long term solution is a mini tablet with a touch interface? Sorry, you lost me there.

    Look into running Squeezeplay on a tablet, or perhaps better yet, on a netbook, where you can use the keyboard's keys instead of a touch interface.

    EDIT: I'm not trying to convince you to use anything. But you may have to live with "current solutions" because no one -- and I mean no one -- is ever going to produce another "dedicated controller ... similar to the Duet model." That was a one-and-done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aubuti View Post
    Yeah, I read that:

    So you don't like touch devices and you want physical buttons. But you think the long term solution is a mini tablet with a touch interface? Sorry, you lost me there.
    Due to the fact that there doesn't seem to be a physical button alternative available(Actually I think it's the wheel thats awesome, not so much physical buttons), and probably won't ever be, but it's preferable to have a dedicated touch device rather than use my phone...

    Look into running Squeezeplay on a tablet, or perhaps better yet, on a netbook, where you can use the keyboard's keys instead of a touch interface.

    EDIT: I'm not trying to convince you to use anything. But you may have to live with "current solutions" because no one -- and I mean no one -- is ever going to produce another "dedicated controller ... similar to the Duet model." That was a one-and-done.
    Yeah you are right, that appears to be the case, it's a pity because it really is a comfortable device to use. It's kind of strange though there is a lot of development on HTPC controllers, both IR and Wireless (remotes/keyboards/air mouse etc) but nothing recently that has a built in screen.

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    Hm, I feel like I have to add my two cents here because, ironically, I believe that dedicated controllers WILL come back

    1. You like the scroll wheel? Ok, I reckon you are pretty much alone with that one so I'd risk a guess at saying: nope, that's never coming back.

    2. Dedicated controllers with touch screens I'm not so sure about. Logitech has tried this a bit with the harmony line but my impression was that they were focusing on the wrong market so far, which is replacing simple button remotes which doesn't work because a grave full of physical buttons can never be matched in speed-of-use by any touchscreen device. But for complex tasks, I'd bet it will eventually come back, as a universal remote.

    3. Me thinks this will be something like an Android tablet with some additional buttons giving you quick access to play, pause, skip, volume, power. Actually I believe it will probably be EXACTLY an Android tablet with these buttons. And the actual controllers will just be Apps.

    4. Why? Because you want a motion sensor instead of a screen lock and you want the buttons, everything else gets into the way of quick use. But for complex UI interactions like content search and browsing you need the touch screen, that scroll wheel just sucked (sorry)

    5. When? Something like 3 years from now when Android has finally settled on some stable API version and you can't make money on phones anymore so that vendors try to diversify. The platforms will be cheap because an off-the-shelf hardware produced in xx million quantities for phones will easily justify being used as a building block for appliances.

    6. Why not now? Market's not mature enough and you want to be able to use it with more than one client device. And you need to allow the platform you are using to still be like 3 generations behind because you don't want to replace this thing twice a year like your garden-variety Android phone because it just became totally outdated plus you want it to be three generations behind so that with a current architecture it can consume REALLY little power because you want the battery to last for two days or so and not only half a day as it is today.

    7. Why Android? What else? Windows? Nah, not going to be around for tablets three years from now anymore. iOS? Good luck asking Apple for industrialization.

    8. What to use until then? Apps that support the use of hardware volume buttons and lock screen access on your phone or tablet like iPeng or some of the Android ones do because that already gives you 75% of what you really need buttons for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pippin View Post
    Hm, I feel like I have to add my two cents here because, ironically, I believe that dedicated controllers WILL come back

    ...

    5. When? Something like 3 years from now when Android has finally settled on some stable API version and you can't make money on phones anymore so that vendors try to diversify. The platforms will be cheap because an off-the-shelf hardware produced in xx million quantities for phones will easily justify being used as a building block for appliances.

    ...
    An old thread, but I'm really interested in a dedicated Logitech media server controller. Dedicated being the key word here. I know I can easily control the server with a tablet, phone, or anything else that is on my local network and runs a browser.
    I like using my android tablet to control the server. And I would like to always see what track is playing. But I don't like to keep the tablet's screen on in the background for long periods of time, in order to conserve the battery. I could buy another, cheap, tablet and keep it always plugged in to the mains, but I would prefer that it wouldn't have a battery (out of concerns that it might overheat or explode).

    So, is there a cheap, small device with a screen and wifi, that doesn't have a battery and runs connected to the mains? Something like a mounted wall display, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnd View Post
    An old thread, but I'm really interested in a dedicated Logitech media server controller. Dedicated being the key word here. I know I can easily control the server with a tablet, phone, or anything else that is on my local network and runs a browser.
    I like using my android tablet to control the server. And I would like to always see what track is playing. But I don't like to keep the tablet's screen on in the background for long periods of time, in order to conserve the battery. I could buy another, cheap, tablet and keep it always plugged in to the mains, but I would prefer that it wouldn't have a battery (out of concerns that it might overheat or explode).

    So, is there a cheap, small device with a screen and wifi, that doesn't have a battery and runs connected to the mains? Something like a mounted wall display, I guess.
    A Raspberry Pi with Touchscreen (and IR if you want it) running pCP and jivelite only

    Works well

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    Players: SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezeLite-X,PiCorePlayer x3
    Server: LMS Version: Latest Nightly on Centos 7.6 VM on ESXi 6.5.0U3 on Dell T320
    Plugins: AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud/Spotty/Player Groups
    Remotes: iPeng9/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite/SqueezeLite-X
    Music: 522GB,1.5K albums with 25K songs by 5K artists mostly FLACs

    Want a webapp ? See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showth...Webapp-for-LMS

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    Duet Controller
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff07971 View Post
    A Raspberry Pi with Touchscreen (and IR if you want it) running pCP and jivelite only

    Works well

    Jeff
    I was thinking about the Raspberry Pi approach. Would Raspberry Pi zero with wifi be sufficient for pCP and jivelite, or a more powerful cpu is needed?
    I found a guide to install pCP and jivelite on Raspberry Pi, but I have almost zero experience with linux, so it seems quite complex on first look, but interesting nonetheless.
    Also, I don't need the device to actually play the music, only to control the renderer. So maybe it would be easier to simply install a prepared image of an OS (I have seen that some Raspberry Pi touchscreens come with OS images, which I hope are preconfigured to work with the touchscreen out of the box) and just use a browser to access the LMS web interface?

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