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    Quote Originally Posted by rgro View Post
    I suspect you're probably quite right, Aubuti, though my faint ray of hope was based on that somewhere over on the Vortexbox forum, I'd seen that Andrew (Mr. Vortexbox, himself) had gotten it to work. Ron Olsen over there said he might play around with it a bit, but I'm not holding out high hopes.....

    To shift gears a bit, what is the general opinion on a hardware solution? I note that there are some stand-alone DRC and/or EQ boxes but I'm wondering, at that point, if putting another digital processor in the chain consisting of Touch/Dac/Amplifier is just asking for trouble and/or sound degradation.

    Or, if one were to use a stand-alone DRC box, do you then have to eliminate the stand-alone dac and just be content with using the Touch's dac? I'd certainly be curious as to if anyone's had any experience with one (Copland and Lyngdorf are a couple of random names I saw).
    But most drc boxes i know of have digital inputs so you be using there dacs or they also sport a digital output so you can use whatever dac you fancy.

    digital processing can be made tranparent, and in all cases the vast improvements you get should swamp any tiny degradation you theoretically could get from another spdiff or tos interface, but modern dac have no problem rejecting that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgro View Post
    I suspect you're probably quite right, Aubuti, though my faint ray of hope was based on that somewhere over on the Vortexbox forum, I'd seen that Andrew (Mr. Vortexbox, himself) had gotten it to work. Ron Olsen over there said he might play around with it a bit, but I'm not holding out high hopes.....

    To shift gears a bit, what is the general opinion on a hardware solution? I note that there are some stand-alone DRC and/or EQ boxes but I'm wondering, at that point, if putting another digital processor in the chain consisting of Touch/Dac/Amplifier is just asking for trouble and/or sound degradation.

    Or, if one were to use a stand-alone DRC box, do you then have to eliminate the stand-alone dac and just be content with using the Touch's dac? I'd certainly be curious as to if anyone's had any experience with one (Copland and Lyngdorf are a couple of random names I saw).
    Having used the TACT RCS 2.2x for years it is a great DRC solution. However, I find Audiolense+Inguz a better solution for a variety of reasons - not least the fact that I have one less box betwixt Touch and DAC.

    Inguz is particularly useful if you have multiple systems... and it is much easier to use its EQ capabilities "on the fly" via iPeng compared to the TACT.
    You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgro View Post
    To shift gears a bit, what is the general opinion on a hardware solution? I note that there are some stand-alone DRC and/or EQ boxes but I'm wondering, at that point, if putting another digital processor in the chain consisting of Touch/Dac/Amplifier is just asking for trouble and/or sound degradation.

    Or, if one were to use a stand-alone DRC box, do you then have to eliminate the stand-alone dac and just be content with using the Touch's dac? I'd certainly be curious as to if anyone's had any experience with one (Copland and Lyngdorf are a couple of random names I saw).
    For the limited purpose of taming subwoofer room modes, I found that the DSpeaker Antimode 8033 does an excellent job. This little, relatively inexpensive DSP from Finland comes with its own mike and is easy to set up and forget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Leigh View Post
    Having used the TACT RCS 2.2x for years it is a great DRC solution. However, I find Audiolense+Inguz a better solution for a variety of reasons - not least the fact that I have one less box betwixt Touch and DAC.

    Inguz is particularly useful if you have multiple systems... and it is much easier to use its EQ capabilities "on the fly" via iPeng compared to the TACT.
    I'm still struggling with the Windows inguz install. Got everything related to the plugin installed in both locations according to the web instructions. EQ plugin shows up as installed in SETTINGS > Plugins. When I go to EXTRAS, I see the EQ program there and can open it. And I can even grab either the bass or treble curve and move it up or down (-db or +db) and this sticks ok.

    But here's what I can't do:
    1. I gather that there should be an option in SETTINGS > ADVANCED > FILETYPES to set to inguz instead of say, FLAC native or mp3 native. I don't see these options on any filetypes.

    2. If I click on the Settings option to the right of the EQ plugin, the browser just churns and never shows me any options at all.

    Any thoughts on what I've done wrong or what I'm missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by garym View Post
    I'm still struggling with the Windows inguz install. Got everything related to the plugin installed in both locations according to the web instructions. EQ plugin shows up as installed in SETTINGS > Plugins. When I go to EXTRAS, I see the EQ program there and can open it. And I can even grab either the bass or treble curve and move it up or down (-db or +db) and this sticks ok.

    But here's what I can't do:
    1. I gather that there should be an option in SETTINGS > ADVANCED > FILETYPES to set to inguz instead of say, FLAC native or mp3 native. I don't see these options on any filetypes.

    2. If I click on the Settings option to the right of the EQ plugin, the browser just churns and never shows me any options at all.

    Any thoughts on what I've done wrong or what I'm missing?
    Gary...

    When you say you installed it in "both" locations are you just referring to the different places in Windows, or have you actually got it semi-functional on Vortexbox?
    Rg

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgro View Post
    Gary...

    When you say you installed it in "both" locations are you just referring to the different places in Windows, or have you actually got it semi-functional on Vortexbox?
    sorry, that was confusing. No, I've only (tried) to install on Win7 machine. There are two different zip files, one is unzipped to the plugin directory under SB server. The other file is the "filter processor" and it ends up in the ...\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\ folder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Leigh View Post
    Having used the TACT RCS 2.2x for years it is a great DRC solution. However, I find Audiolense+Inguz a better solution for a variety of reasons - not least the fact that I have one less box betwixt Touch and DAC.

    Inguz is particularly useful if you have multiple systems... and it is much easier to use its EQ capabilities "on the fly" via iPeng compared to the TACT.
    Yeahbut you're running all this on Billy G's operating system....I still have the Linux/Fedora issue and didn't see that Audiolense was compatible with that, either.

    I've also seen some good (and not-so-good) things written up about the Behringer DEQ2496 as a possible hardware solutions.
    Rg

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    Quote Originally Posted by garym View Post
    sorry, that was confusing. No, I've only (tried) to install on Win7 machine. There are two different zip files, one is unzipped to the plugin directory under SB server. The other file is the "filter processor" and it ends up in the ...\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\ folder.
    Ah, I sorta' figured that, but wanted to make sure you hadn't made some sort of brilliant breakthrough. I'm sure you'll get this figured out sooner or later, and hopefully, by then, you'll still have a few hairs left on your head ;>)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgro View Post
    by then, you'll still have a few hairs left on your head ;>)
    maybe. ;-)

    (at least this is not mission critical....I just wanted to play with reducing bass a bit at my weekend cottage to counteract bad speaker placement)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgro View Post
    Yeahbut you're running all this on Billy G's operating system....I still have the Linux/Fedora issue and didn't see that Audiolense was compatible with that, either.

    I've also seen some good (and not-so-good) things written up about the Behringer DEQ2496 as a possible hardware solutions.
    IME the Behringer is some way behind either TACT or Inguz as a proper DRC solution. As an EQ it's OK, but I'm not happy with it's jitter performance (I have a long experience with many bits of Behringer gear...).
    You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...
    Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables
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