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    Problems with Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger"

    I decided today to update my outdated Slimserver to SqueezeboxCenter 7.4 on my little MP3 server which runs Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger", but unfortunately, this venture failed completely (Server restarts over and over again).

    So I decided to install SqueezeCenter 7.3 instead, which kinda works, but I can't configure the server since the web interface doesn't load when I try to access it from my desktop PC. There is no error message and it displays something like "SqueezeCenter is loading", but nothing happens after this.

    I can't find any hint in the logfiles and the server itself is running. Indeed for some reason the scanner found all of my MP3s and playlists, so I'm like 90% there, but still I'd like to configure some thing in the web interface.

    Maxbe related: I can't get the "ShutdownServer" script to run by simply copying it the Plugins folder (and setting user rights) as it worked for SlimServer. It is not shown at all under "Extras".

    BTW: where is the configuration stored? For SlimServer it was /etc/slimserver/slimserver.pref, but I can't find any file like this for the SqueezeCenter.

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    configuration files re now in var/lib...

    why do you want to stay with such an old Ubuntu version?
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    Ok, never mind. I'm updating to Ubuntu 9.04 right now and hope that 7.4 will run there.

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    Problems with Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger"

    0xdeadbeef wrote:
    > Ok, never mind. I'm updating to Ubuntu 9.04 right now and hope that 7.4
    > will run there.


    It should, especially since you are willing to nuke your old installation.

    The transition from 7.3 to 7.4 on Debian/Ubuntu was a bit rough in the
    beta days, but I would expect a clean install to work directly.

    Make sure to verify that your music directories are accessible by the
    user/group that the SBS runs as.


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    It kinda worked flawlessly apart from the very first scan which kinda failed for some reason and reported only 10% of my albums. An update scan fixed this, but still most of the covers were missing.
    The third scan (delete db, complete rebuild) now seems to have worked correctly.

    Guess this will be the last time that I install Linux though. It's cool that it's free and all, but it completely sucks that you can't simply update an application without risking to destroy or being forced to update the whole system just for one application. It's also unbelievable that the repositories are deleted so soon.

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    Problems with Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger"

    0xdeadbeef wrote:
    > Guess this will be the last time that I install Linux though. It's cool
    > that it's free and all, but it completely sucks that you can't simply
    > update an application without risking to destroy or being forced to
    > update the whole system just for one application. It's also unbelievable
    > that the repositories are deleted so soon.


    Which repositories do you mean, the Ubuntu ones? or the Logitech ones
    for your ancient Ubuntu 5.10?

    In either case, I'm not sure I agree with your complaint. If you want
    long term support, you should be running Debian, not Ubuntu. For 99% of
    the time, they are the same, but Debian is all about stability and long
    term support, whereas Ubuntu is about a new version every six months and
    supporting the latest and greatest stuff.

    Your 5.10 is ancient, specifically four and a half years old.

    When I was doing serious Windows development, I would schedule time to
    do a format c: and reinstall from the CD every six months or so.

    The SqueezeBoxServer 7.4 was one of the more difficult ones, I've been
    running it (under various names) for five or so years. Usually only the
    integer number changes are this painful.

    wasn't there a bad PGP key with the values 0xdeadbeef a decade or so ago?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pfarrell View Post
    0xdeadbeef wrote:[color=blue]
    Which repositories do you mean, the Ubuntu ones? or the Logitech ones
    for your ancient Ubuntu 5.10?
    The Ubuntu ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by pfarrell View Post
    In either case, I'm not sure I agree with your complaint. If you want
    long term support, you should be running Debian, not Ubuntu. For 99% of
    the time, they are the same, but Debian is all about stability and long
    term support, whereas Ubuntu is about a new version every six months and
    supporting the latest and greatest stuff.
    It wouldn't have changed anything, would it? Still the new binary package would not run on an "ancient" Debian.

    Quote Originally Posted by pfarrell View Post
    Your 5.10 is ancient, specifically four and a half years old.
    Well, "ancient" is a relative term. If I would have decided to install XP when I setup my MP3 server, I wouldn't have been forced to reinstall a new OS to update an application.

    Quote Originally Posted by pfarrell View Post
    When I was doing serious Windows development, I would schedule time to
    do a format c: and reinstall from the CD every six months or so.
    I only reinstalled XP twice since I bought it several years ago and both times it was because of a complete hardware change.

    Quote Originally Posted by pfarrell View Post
    wasn't there a bad PGP key with the values 0xdeadbeef a decade or so ago?
    There aren't to much words could can create with a 32bit hex number and that still make sense.

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    Problems with Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger"

    0xdeadbeef wrote:
    > The Ubuntu ones.
    >
    >> the time, they are the same, but Debian is all about stability and
    >> long term support, whereas Ubuntu is about a new version every six months


    > It wouldn't have changed anything, would it? Still the new binary
    > package would not run on an "ancient" Debian.


    I expect it would as the Debian folks don't consider a couple of years
    ago to be ancient history. Its the Ubuntu folks who keep running forward.


    >> Your 5.10 is ancient, specifically four and a half years old.

    > Well, "ancient" is a relative term. If I would have decided to install
    > XP when I setup my MP3 server, I wouldn't have been forced to reinstall
    > a new OS to update an application.


    Perhaps, but in Ubuntu land, even a year is too old to expect support. I
    had problems with upgrading a 7.10 to 8.04, and so held off until 8.10
    was out and patched. Then I found that you can/could not upgrade from
    7.10 to 8.10, you had to do the incremental steps.

    Made me really grumble.


    >> When I was doing serious Windows development, I would schedule time to
    >> do a format c: and reinstall from the CD every six months or so.

    > I only reinstalled XP twice since I bought it several years ago and
    > both times it was because of a complete hardware change.


    Users don't have to reinstall as often as developers do, but even for
    casual use, the Registry and DLL hell drive me to trash it every few years.

    I don't do professional development on Windows anymore, so my frequency
    of format c: & reinstall is a lot lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfarrell View Post
    Perhaps, but in Ubuntu land, even a year is too old to expect support. I
    had problems with upgrading a 7.10 to 8.04, and so held off until 8.10
    was out and patched. Then I found that you can/could not upgrade from
    7.10 to 8.10, you had to do the incremental steps.

    Made me really grumble.
    As you've probably found out, with Ubuntu you have three sane choices:
    * dist-upgrade every six months
    * use long term support releases and dist-upgrade every 18-24 months
    * use long term support releases and re-install every 5 years (for server)

    I don't think these options are unreasonable and they clearly show how your comment doesn't paint the whole picture. I think the options aren't clearly communicated to people installing, though. Personally I've gone back to Debian because the unstable/testing/stable choice suits me better (and because stuff seems to actually work more often) but I don't see how the Ubuntu offerings are bad.

    The original poster was being unreasonable, in my opinion: Ubuntu 5.10 has been unsupported for two and a half years already, we can't expect Logitech to keep supporting stuff that even the OS vendor doesn't. Comparing Ubuntu to XP is not too relevant either since the upgrade solution is so different: Since 5.10 Ubuntu have made 700% more OS releases than Microsoft in the same time...

    Bottom line: Remember to think about support/upgrade issues when selecting an OS. A single upgrade in 2006 or later would have brought 0xdeadbeef to a Long Term Support release which is still supported on the server for a couple of years by Ubuntu (and which seems to be still supported by Logitech as well).

    0xdeadbeef: This is probably too late for you but the original bug is probably this one: https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14466
    Last edited by jku; 2009-10-07 at 00:21.

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    If you don't like to uppgrade use Ubuntu LTS. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS

    Ubuntu LTS Server have support for 5 years. The current is 8.04 LTS. The next LTS release will be in april 2010 but 8.04 LTS server edition will be supported 3 more years..

    I've been on 8.04 LTS since it came out but I found it to boring (just works) so I removed the LTS key and upgraded to 9.04.

    I only lost WoL in the process so that was a kind of boring to.
    Last edited by bernt; 2009-10-07 at 00:38.
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