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  1. #1
    Ken Veasey
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    Music jumping

    The sorry tale is that I was running 5.1.5 with firmware 10 on two SBs
    connected via powerline to a XP SP1 2.6Ghz 512MB of RAM server.

    I had noticed that loading up the system was taking some time and
    discovered that the server which was running as a service was causing
    this so uninstalled and re-installed with slimserver not running as a
    server. This was all ok apart from the server regularly crashing when
    I powered off my two SBs using the power synchronisation.

    Now rather foolishly I upgraded to the nightly from 9 June and now
    have a more significant problem in that one of my SBs is loosing the
    music, basically the buffer fills and then completely empties,
    whereupon I loose the music. The device I loose the music on is
    connected to a powerline device registering about 7mbps as against the
    theoretical max of 14mbps (unfortunately its a long run from it to the
    server).

    I should add most of my music is flac so of course it eats a fair bit
    of bandwidth once converted on the fly to WAV but up until now that
    wasn't a problem.

    I realise that by upgrading I have largely burnt my bridges but is
    there a nightly that anyone knows of that won't give me this problem
    or am I going to have to install LAME to convert the stream down to
    MP3 (and if I do is there a quick guide on where to install it and how
    to persuade the slimserver to pick it up).

    Help, please.

    Ken

  2. #2
    Ken Veasey
    Guest

    Music jumping

    Sorry in my desparation I forgot to add that MP3 is playing ok. I have
    installed lame but I can't get a flac track to play, presumably
    because I'm asking rather a lot for it to convert to wav and then onto
    mp3!!

    I'm now reduced to listening to my dwindling collection of mp3s as I
    had been busy re-ripping and converting to flac.

    Ken

    On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:35:53 +0100, you wrote:

    >The sorry tale is that I was running 5.1.5 with firmware 10 on two SBs
    >connected via powerline to a XP SP1 2.6Ghz 512MB of RAM server.
    >
    >I had noticed that loading up the system was taking some time and
    >discovered that the server which was running as a service was causing
    >this so uninstalled and re-installed with slimserver not running as a
    >server. This was all ok apart from the server regularly crashing when
    >I powered off my two SBs using the power synchronisation.
    >
    >Now rather foolishly I upgraded to the nightly from 9 June and now
    >have a more significant problem in that one of my SBs is loosing the
    >music, basically the buffer fills and then completely empties,
    >whereupon I loose the music. The device I loose the music on is
    >connected to a powerline device registering about 7mbps as against the
    >theoretical max of 14mbps (unfortunately its a long run from it to the
    >server).
    >
    >I should add most of my music is flac so of course it eats a fair bit
    >of bandwidth once converted on the fly to WAV but up until now that
    >wasn't a problem.
    >
    >I realise that by upgrading I have largely burnt my bridges but is
    >there a nightly that anyone knows of that won't give me this problem
    >or am I going to have to install LAME to convert the stream down to
    >MP3 (and if I do is there a quick guide on where to install it and how
    >to persuade the slimserver to pick it up).
    >
    >Help, please.
    >
    >Ken
    >
    >

  3. #3
    Ken Veasey
    Guest

    Music jumping

    On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:

    I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:

    I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
    some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
    just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
    as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
    I have tried.

    By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
    sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
    within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
    playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
    Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!

    Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
    various issues with?

    Ken

  4. #4
    Founder, Slim Devices seanadams's Avatar
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    Music jumping

    Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?


    On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:

    > On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
    >
    > I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
    >
    > I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
    > some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
    > just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
    > as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
    > I have tried.
    >
    > By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
    > sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
    > within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
    > playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
    > Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
    >
    > Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
    > various issues with?
    >
    > Ken
    >
    >

  5. #5

    Music jumping

    Also, please check if the conversion that you're attempting FLAC->MP3 is
    enabled in the Settings > Server Settings > File Types page in the web UI.

    --Vidur

    Sean Adams wrote:

    >
    >
    > Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?
    >
    >
    > On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
    >>
    >> I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
    >>
    >> I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
    >> some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
    >> just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
    >> as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
    >> I have tried.
    >>
    >> By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
    >> sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
    >> within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
    >> playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
    >> Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
    >>
    >> Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
    >> various issues with?
    >>
    >> Ken
    >>
    >>

  6. #6
    Ken Veasey
    Guest

    Music jumping

    Thanks guys. I don't have any AIFF tracks but a WAV file played back
    ok without any breaks and the buffer stayed full most of the time.

    As for the conversion to MP3 I cracked that by throwing lame.exe into
    a few more places.

    So at least I have access to my music, phew!!

    Its time for my bed now so I'll leave you to ponder why its making
    such a meal of the flac to wav conversion, but only the SB on
    powerline with a theoretical max throughput of 7mbps, but not
    forgetting this wasn't a problem at 5.1.5 and firmware 8.


    Ken


    On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:08:18 -0700, you wrote:

    >
    >Also, please check if the conversion that you're attempting FLAC->MP3 is
    >enabled in the Settings > Server Settings > File Types page in the web UI.
    >
    >--Vidur
    >
    >Sean Adams wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?
    >>
    >>
    >> On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
    >>>
    >>> I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
    >>>
    >>> I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
    >>> some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
    >>> just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
    >>> as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
    >>> I have tried.
    >>>
    >>> By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
    >>> sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
    >>> within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
    >>> playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
    >>> Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
    >>>
    >>> Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
    >>> various issues with?
    >>>
    >>> Ken
    >>>
    >>>

  7. #7
    Ken Veasey
    Guest

    Music jumping

    Further update:

    1. I am now streaming to both SBs with transcoding from flac to mp3,
    although I note that the task list shows activity from flac.exe and
    lame.exe.

    2. I am still experiencing regular freeze ups of the playing music,
    but now its predominantly on the directly wired SB. It does not seem
    to correspond with any high CPU usage and the buffer display gives no
    hint that its going to happen i.e. there is no emptying out of the
    buffer it just goes empty. (A freeze up just happened and didn't
    restart itself).

    3. The lengthy loading up time of the slimserver continues.

    Any thoughts much appreciated as things are not really that useful
    from a listening point of view?

    Ken



    On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:14 +0100, you wrote:

    >Thanks guys. I don't have any AIFF tracks but a WAV file played back
    >ok without any breaks and the buffer stayed full most of the time.
    >
    >As for the conversion to MP3 I cracked that by throwing lame.exe into
    >a few more places.
    >
    >So at least I have access to my music, phew!!
    >
    >Its time for my bed now so I'll leave you to ponder why its making
    >such a meal of the flac to wav conversion, but only the SB on
    >powerline with a theoretical max throughput of 7mbps, but not
    >forgetting this wasn't a problem at 5.1.5 and firmware 8.
    >
    >
    >Ken
    >
    >
    >On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:08:18 -0700, you wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>Also, please check if the conversion that you're attempting FLAC->MP3 is
    >>enabled in the Settings > Server Settings > File Types page in the web UI.
    >>
    >>--Vidur
    >>
    >>Sean Adams wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
    >>>>
    >>>> I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
    >>>> some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
    >>>> just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
    >>>> as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
    >>>> I have tried.
    >>>>
    >>>> By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
    >>>> sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
    >>>> within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
    >>>> playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
    >>>> Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
    >>>>
    >>>> Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
    >>>> various issues with?
    >>>>
    >>>> Ken
    >>>>
    >>>>

  8. #8
    NOT a Slim Devices Employee kdf's Avatar
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    Music jumping

    Quoting Ken Veasey <k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>:

    > Further update:
    >
    > 1. I am now streaming to both SBs with transcoding from flac to mp3,
    > although I note that the task list shows activity from flac.exe and
    > lame.exe.

    this would seem normal. Flac-to-mp3 would require flac.exe to uncompress to
    wav, then lame.exe to compress wav to mp3.
    >
    > 2. I am still experiencing regular freeze ups of the playing music,
    > but now its predominantly on the directly wired SB. It does not seem
    > to correspond with any high CPU usage and the buffer display gives no
    > hint that its going to happen i.e. there is no emptying out of the
    > buffer it just goes empty. (A freeze up just happened and didn't
    > restart itself).

    what version of flac are you using? there is a binary included with the server
    package so you could delete your own copy and try relying on the one included
    with the server. I'm not a heavy FLC user, but I haven't had any trouble
    playing the FLAC files that I do have. I run my server from cvs, so its always
    the latest version of the server.

    > 3. The lengthy loading up time of the slimserver continues.

    that isn't right. latest nightly should be caching the information for much
    quicker load times that 5.1.5. Perhaps check the log for d_info on startup.
    Running from a command line: c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe
    --d_info should give you the debug output right in the command line window. Try
    to confirm that the DB is being used by looking for the following message:
    "ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"

    -kdf

    >
    > Any thoughts much appreciated as things are not really that useful
    > from a listening point of view?
    >
    > Ken
    >
    >
    >
    > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:14 +0100, you wrote:
    >
    > >Thanks guys. I don't have any AIFF tracks but a WAV file played back
    > >ok without any breaks and the buffer stayed full most of the time.
    > >
    > >As for the conversion to MP3 I cracked that by throwing lame.exe into
    > >a few more places.
    > >
    > >So at least I have access to my music, phew!!
    > >
    > >Its time for my bed now so I'll leave you to ponder why its making
    > >such a meal of the flac to wav conversion, but only the SB on
    > >powerline with a theoretical max throughput of 7mbps, but not
    > >forgetting this wasn't a problem at 5.1.5 and firmware 8.
    > >
    > >
    > >Ken
    > >
    > >
    > >On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:08:18 -0700, you wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >>Also, please check if the conversion that you're attempting FLAC->MP3 is
    > >>enabled in the Settings > Server Settings > File Types page in the web UI.
    > >>
    > >>--Vidur
    > >>
    > >>Sean Adams wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>> Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>> On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
    > >>>> some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
    > >>>> just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
    > >>>> as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
    > >>>> I have tried.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
    > >>>> sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
    > >>>> within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
    > >>>> playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
    > >>>> Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
    > >>>> various issues with?
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Ken
    > >>>>
    > >>>>

  9. #9
    Ken Veasey
    Guest

    Music jumping

    Why is that when put on the spot things never behave as they did last
    time?

    Thanks Kevin, my responses are below.


    Ken



    On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:41:12 -0700, you wrote:

    >Quoting Ken Veasey <k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>:
    >
    >> Further update:
    >>
    >> 1. I am now streaming to both SBs with transcoding from flac to mp3,
    >> although I note that the task list shows activity from flac.exe and
    >> lame.exe.

    >this would seem normal. Flac-to-mp3 would require flac.exe to uncompress to
    >wav, then lame.exe to compress wav to mp3.
    >>
    >> 2. I am still experiencing regular freeze ups of the playing music,
    >> but now its predominantly on the directly wired SB. It does not seem
    >> to correspond with any high CPU usage and the buffer display gives no
    >> hint that its going to happen i.e. there is no emptying out of the
    >> buffer it just goes empty. (A freeze up just happened and didn't
    >> restart itself).

    >what version of flac are you using? there is a binary included with the server
    >package so you could delete your own copy and try relying on the one included
    >with the server. I'm not a heavy FLC user, but I haven't had any trouble
    >playing the FLAC files that I do have. I run my server from cvs, so its always
    >the latest version of the server.

    Running with version 1.1.0. I seem to have multiple copies of flac &
    metaflac scattered over my system. I'm not too sure which to take out.

    >
    >> 3. The lengthy loading up time of the slimserver continues.

    >that isn't right. latest nightly should be caching the information for much
    >quicker load times that 5.1.5. Perhaps check the log for d_info on startup.
    >Running from a command line: c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe
    >--d_info should give you the debug output right in the command line window. Try
    >to confirm that the DB is being used by looking for the following message:
    >"ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"


    Of course it loaded up pretty much instantly and I couldn't see that
    message but it probably disappreared of screen. So I'll have to try
    starting it with the info written away to a log.


    >
    >-kdf
    >
    >>
    >> Any thoughts much appreciated as things are not really that useful
    >> from a listening point of view?
    >>
    >> Ken
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:14 +0100, you wrote:
    >>
    >> >Thanks guys. I don't have any AIFF tracks but a WAV file played back
    >> >ok without any breaks and the buffer stayed full most of the time.
    >> >
    >> >As for the conversion to MP3 I cracked that by throwing lame.exe into
    >> >a few more places.
    >> >
    >> >So at least I have access to my music, phew!!
    >> >
    >> >Its time for my bed now so I'll leave you to ponder why its making
    >> >such a meal of the flac to wav conversion, but only the SB on
    >> >powerline with a theoretical max throughput of 7mbps, but not
    >> >forgetting this wasn't a problem at 5.1.5 and firmware 8.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Ken
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:08:18 -0700, you wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>
    >> >>Also, please check if the conversion that you're attempting FLAC->MP3 is
    >> >>enabled in the Settings > Server Settings > File Types page in the web UI.
    >> >>
    >> >>--Vidur
    >> >>
    >> >>Sean Adams wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?
    >> >>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>> On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
    >> >>>> some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
    >> >>>> just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
    >> >>>> as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
    >> >>>> I have tried.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
    >> >>>> sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
    >> >>>> within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
    >> >>>> playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
    >> >>>> Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
    >> >>>> various issues with?
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Ken
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>

  10. #10
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    Music jumping

    Quoting Ken Veasey <k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>:

    > Why is that when put on the spot things never behave as they did last
    > time?


    Blame Murphy

    > >with the server. I'm not a heavy FLC user, but I haven't had any trouble
    > >playing the FLAC files that I do have. I run my server from cvs, so its

    > always
    > >the latest version of the server.

    > Running with version 1.1.0. I seem to have multiple copies of flac &
    > metaflac scattered over my system. I'm not too sure which to take out.


    Server settings->Additional Server SEttings->debugging. check d_source and the
    click the link at the top for the log. You can then see, when you try to play a
    song, the full command being used. This will show the full path to the flac.exe
    that is being used.


    > >
    > >> 3. The lengthy loading up time of the slimserver continues.

    > >that isn't right. latest nightly should be caching the information for

    > much
    > >quicker load times that 5.1.5. Perhaps check the log for d_info on startup.

    >
    > >Running from a command line: c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe
    > >--d_info should give you the debug output right in the command line window.

    > Try
    > >to confirm that the DB is being used by looking for the following message:
    > >"ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"

    >
    > Of course it loaded up pretty much instantly and I couldn't see that
    > message but it probably disappreared of screen. So I'll have to try
    > starting it with the info written away to a log.


    There is usually a bit of a pause, but it can go by very fast. to capture the log:
    slim.exe --d_info --logfile mylog.txt

    -kdf

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