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    Which OS for rock solid stability

    Hi,

    I have now had my duet for a while now but I am to the point of giving up as I cannot get it to be stable to the point I would want it to be. I have dedicated a PC (Pentium 4 at 3 Ghz running Vista) . The only other program running is windows MS Mediacenter which is connected to a TV used for DVDs. I have over 1000 albums (21000 titles) in FLAC on a USB 1 TByte WD drive

    By being stable I mean 90 % of the time it is fine, but every once in a while for no obvious reason the response gets very slow when browsing for music. In other instances the music can take up to 10 seconds to start. Sometimes it will be fine after 15 minutes or so, or in other cases the only way to get everything back right is to restart everything, from the PC to resetting the remote. I have now started to look at CPU utilization, and have noticed that when it slows down it is the squeezcenter program that is running at over 50% CPU.

    I am also running my WIFI with 2 Access points with the same name, since I have a large area to cover.

    Who can recommend the simplest setup where there would be no (very very low) risk of the this anoying hickup to occasionaly happen. Is squeezecenter more stable on LINUX? or maybe on MAC. It would be a pity and $$ to dedicate a MAC. Can it be Vista? I have rebuilt the PC and the only 3rd party application is squeexebox. My WIFI network has been running fine for 2 years and I do not want change it, but could it be the 2 Access Points (with same SSID name) that cause this? I had thought of setting it independentaly usng the players WIFI, but this makes me loose access from my boombox, and I loose the range I need.

    If anyone has every had such issue and managed to resolve some help would really really really be appreciated!!

    ......Especially the last 2 times in a week that it crashed was when I had over 30 guests in the house, and the last thing I wanted to be doing is resetting everything to get the music back

    Jac

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    You should not run two access points with the same ID. Get one access point and a wifi extender. Vista should be stable although sometimes the multitasking abilities leave something to be desired. I would recommend VortexBox it's simple and uses very low resources.
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    Which OS for rock solid stability

    Jac wrote:
    > Who can recommend the simplest setup where there would be no (very very
    > low) risk of the this anoying hickup to occasionaly happen. Is
    > squeezecenter more stable on LINUX? or maybe on MAC.


    I don't have personal experience running SqueezeCenter on anything but
    Linux. I can say that I've run SqueezeCenter (and before that
    slimserver) for years with no problems. I went well over a year without
    touching the server. Literally.

    > My WIFI network has
    > been running fine for 2 years and I do not want change it, but could it
    > be the 2 Access Points (with same SSID name) that cause this?


    I think this is a really bad idea. I'm no expert in WiFi, but it feels
    very wrong to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by agillis View Post
    You should not run two access points with the same ID. Get one access point and a wifi extender. Vista should be stable although sometimes the multitasking abilities leave something to be desired. I would recommend VortexBox it's simple and uses very low resources.
    Nonsense. Any large office runs multiple access points with the same SSID. That's what roaming is about. I have run two in my house for years. I run the two on different channels, but you can experiment with that as well - one channel will work. For now, the controller won't roam, so you have to force it to switch access points if you move it.

    As for your question - IMHO, linux is much more reliable than windows. I run Debian etch (waiting for the bugs to shake out before going to lenny) and it would run forever if I didn't reboot once a month to fsck the file systems. It will reliably restart itself is a power failure takes it down. Only problem is the learning curve to get is set up correctly.
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    Which OS for rock solid stability

    Quoting Millwood (Millwood.3p29mz1237072501 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com):

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    > agillis;406493 Wrote:
    > > You should not run two access points with the same ID. Get one access
    > > point and a wifi extender. Vista should be stable although sometimes
    > > the multitasking abilities leave something to be desired. I would
    > > recommend VortexBox it's simple and uses very low resources.

    >
    > Nonsense. Any large office runs multiple access points with the same
    > SSID. That's what roaming is about. I have run two in my house for
    > years. I run the two on different channels, but you can experiment
    > with that as well - one channel will work.


    Agreed, this is an non-issue.

    > As for your question - IMHO, linux is much more reliable than windows.
    > I run Debian etch (waiting for the bugs to shake out before going to
    > lenny) and it would run forever if I didn't reboot once a month to fsck
    > the file systems. It will reliably restart itself is a power failure
    > takes it down. Only problem is the learning curve to get is set up
    > correctly.


    I've exclusively run slimcenter/SqueezeCenter under linux OSs for
    years, it is bulletproof. I use fedora, but it probably doens't
    matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Millwood View Post
    Nonsense. Any large office runs multiple access points with the same SSID.
    And most probably have more sophisticated setups than a couple of consumer-grade wireless routers blindly using the same SSID. At my job we use radios from Tropos that are more expensive than Transporters and use proprietary protocols for mesh management (same stuff Google uses for their public wifi). You could say they use the same SSID, but that greatly downplays their sophistication.

    At home I have a couple cheap Linksys devices running the free Tomato firmware in a WDS setup. It's been fine, and has significantly improved coverage and reliability.
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    Which OS for rock solid stability

    Over the last few years, I've been running various flavors of
    SlimServer/SqueezeCenter on a couple of Linux releases (currently
    Ubuntu 6.06.2 LTS) and it's been really solid (for the solid
    SlimServer/Squeezecenter releases -- Squeezecenter has been quite good
    through most of its life, and SlimServer was pretty good except, I
    recall, for awhile right after a major version version release whose
    number I don't remember). But yes, I'm convinced Linux is in general the
    most bulletproof platform for SlimServer.

    A Debian-flavored release (such as Ubuntu) is convenient because you can
    just put the Slimdevices debian package repository in the update list,
    then Sqeezecenter releases become visible and available for optional
    upgrade via the OS's regular update tools.

    If I were setting up a new server for this, I expect I'd try to install
    it on whatever the most recent Ubuntu release is which has been
    designated "LTS" (Long-Term Support).

    http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes

    http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

    (Looks like Ubuntu Server 8.04 LTS is supported until April of 2013.)

    I ran SlimServer for awhile under Mac OS X, and that was... perfectly
    fine, I guess, although I was easily confused by issues related to
    per-user versus per-system install; and my Mac desktop goes up and down
    more often (to accommodate restart-requiring updates) than I prefer for a
    music server. The Linux box I run the music server on is dedicated to
    long-running services and stays up usually a few months between times I
    bother with updates and reboots. But I don't feel the need to keep up
    with bleeding-edge updates, because that machine's only contact with
    hosts outside our home is via connections it initiates to a controlled
    set of hosts.

    As for the networking issues... I connect as many of the nodes as
    possible via hardwired ether. Wireless networking just provides another
    way for the whole setup to flake out for reasons beyond one's control
    (the neighbor decides to set up an access point one floor below you on
    the exact same channel as your network, or microwaves some popcorn, or
    there are... sunspots, or ghosts, or something). I kind of hate
    wireless. I only use it (grudgingly) for laptops and a Squeezebox in
    a bathroom.

    -Jeff

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    The software is EXTREMELY stable on XP. I could echo the many comments above that were made for linux. For me, slim software on XP:

    Runs for month after month without being touched.
    Has been trouble free for years (except for one incident that required a reboot)
    Never freezes or jams, instant response
    Starts itself after a power failure
    Etc etc

    If you read the forums here, you'll see that it's not as if linux users don't also have their problems from time to time. What will work for you is what you know or have the resources/capabilities to troubleshoot.

    I'm not a techie, but I'd guess you have other problems going on unrelated to what you think it is. Two crashes, slow response time, 50% CPU useage, seem quite odd. Something is very wrong with your hardware, other software, or ???

    How is your music organized, folder wise? Everything tidy, good tags, etc?

    Do you have another PC you can substitute in to the mix and see what would happen?

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    Which OS for rock solid stability

    Jac wrote:
    > Who can recommend the simplest setup where there would be no (very very
    > low) risk of the this anoying hickup to occasionaly happen. Is
    >

    Linux server, any distro. Wire the server to the router and if at all
    possible wire the SB's to the router as well. Do not use
    wireless between the router and the server. That's the simplest and the
    most solid setup. Wire the place...

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    I agree with Goodsounds...

    Having never bothered with Linux, I run XP Pro and strip all of the junk out of it. The OS, SC, iTunes, Moose and sundry plug-ins take up 6.4GB and ran wihtout intervention on a normal hard drive until recently when I migrated it to a OCZ 30GB SSD. Now I have less maintenance (no defrags) and it's extremely quick. The music lives on a second SATA disk in the box and backups are put to seperate drives via a BlacX eSATA drive. Also a pretty quick way to back up.

    I would bet there are several other ways to skin this cat reliably also.

    Howard

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