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    Anther budget DAC

    This box at under ú-$200 is getting well reviewed in *another place.

    Has anyone tried it with SB?

    EMU 0404 USB

    http://www.dv247.com/invt/35906/

    http://www.emu.com/products/product....Specifications

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    http://www.computeraudiophile.com/node/1420
    Last edited by Labarum; 2009-02-19 at 13:48.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Labarum View Post
    This box at under ú-$200 is getting well reviewed in *another place.

    Has anyone tried it with SB?

    EMU 0404 USB

    http://www.dv247.com/invt/35906/

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    http://www.computeraudiophile.com/node/1420
    Hi Brian,

    How were you planning on using this ADC/DAC? You do know that it doesn't have standard HiFi Output jacks don't you? Very easy to hook an SB to it with Toslink or Coax, but the outputs are designed for mixing or 1/8 jacks. It wouldn't be so bad if they offered XLR or RCA outs. It has a nice Class A headphone amp. It appears to have the same DAC as the Transporter which says tons about how poorly its internal circuits are designed because the Company Specs and Reviewed Tested Specs show a big difference in the specs that DAC chip can deliver. The USB is limited to 16/44.1

    Nice inexpensive unit to fool around with recording/mixing, but IMO I would not use it in a stereo system. The additional circuits and mixing parts/switches are also probably some of the reasons the specs take such a big hit. These are not needed for HiFi listening.
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    Read some more, iPhone

    http://www.emu.com/support/files/sto...404-USB-EN.pdf

    An unbalanced output is available on the 1/4" jacks. Getting from that to RCA is not rocket science.

    16/44 is not the limit if using USB 2 - it's 24/192

    As to "poor implementation", well you wouldn't expect components of the standard used in the Transporter, but that costs ten times more. Is it ten times better?

    Has anyone heard it?

    I ask because the reviewer on

    http://www.computeraudiophile.com/node/1420

    is a perceptive guy.
    Last edited by Labarum; 2009-02-19 at 14:21.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iPhone View Post
    .... which says tons about how poorly its internal circuits are designed....
    I have no experience with this product, but don't you think this is a bit of an extreme comment for something you also seem to have no experience with?

    E-Mu is not a fly-by-night operation. They have been active in the music/audio engineering world for more than 25 years that I know of. They have a bunch of people there who know what they're doing. Maybe this product is outside of their area of core competencies, who knows, but much of their stuff is very highly thought of and has been for a long time. Admittedly, this is an inexpensive part, but I know a lot of people get suckered in to thinking that quality and selling price always go hand in hand.

    It is true that most of their experience is on the musician and recording side of the CD, not on the reproduction side.

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    Just my thoughts and opinion

    Quote Originally Posted by Labarum View Post
    Read some more, iPhone

    http://www.emu.com/support/files/sto...404-USB-EN.pdf

    An unbalanced output is available on the 1/4" jacks. Getting from that to RCA is not rocket science.

    16/44 is not the limit if using USB 2 - it's 24/192

    As to "poor implementation", well you wouldn't expect components of the standard used in the Transporter, but that costs ten times more. Is it ten times better?

    Has anyone heard it?

    I ask because the reviewer on

    http://www.computeraudiophile.com/node/1420

    is a perceptive guy.
    I can only tell you what I know second hand as I don't own one, but our keyboard player does. His unit will only do 16/44.1 reliabily on USB 2.0 with a certified USB 2.0 cable. Sometimes if everything is just right 24/96. But of course most of this doesn't matter for stereo system use with a Squeezebox.

    But getting back to stereo use, I didn't say it couldn't be hooked up to a stereo. By not providing XLR or RCAs, one has to do it the Mickey Mouse way with adapters or some oddball cables from Radio Shack. Basically what I'm saying is save the $175 and get an audio only Stereo DAC. IMO for my money, I would rather just use a plain SB3/SBR or get a nice audio only DAC to use with either of them. That's all I'm saying.

    If somebody is just using it with a computer only or with a mixing/recording/midi/computer setup, it has a lot going for it. As for me, I will again say I would rather just use an SB3 then put this device inbetween my SB3/SBR and Pre-Amp/Receiver.
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    If you want a nice dac, listen to the Music Fidelity V-DAC, for 160 pounds a real bargain, an excellent improvement of my SB3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raven22 View Post
    If you want a nice dac, listen to the Music Fidelity V-DAC, for 160 pounds a real bargain, an excellent improvement of my SB3.
    I presently use the Beresford, which is well regarded, and has the advantage of source switching and a variable output. I use it as a digital preamp, a drive my power amp directly.

    The Virgin Cable TV box is my second digital input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodsounds View Post
    I have no experience with this product, but don't you think this is a bit of an extreme comment for something you also seem to have no experience with?

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    Par for the course for this poster on other fora

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    EMU 0404 worth the money for me

    Hi,

    The components are probably not comparable to a transporter (which I sadly don't own...)

    I do know that I think it performs admirably.

    I have it connected via a long USB to my computer - mainly for watching dvd's etc via computer. I was able to lower the volume a considerable amount after upgrading from my previous built in soundcard and still hear (and understand) speech in movies...

    When I first got the unit I started working and listening to music in the early evening (e.g. the brandenburg concertos in flac). My girlfriend awoke me from my trance at 5 in the morning wondering why I hadn't come to bed.

    It is a bit big and bulky - and i don't think that the amplifier will drive every headphone.

    rgds,
    Christian

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    Read one of the latest posts:

    http://www.computeraudiophile.com/node/1420?page=2

    Next, for fun, my friend wanted to compare the EMU to his Apogee setup for playback just to see what the differences would be. We loaded the same HRX cut onto both out PC's and using two inputs on his preamp and matching levels we could easily toggle between the $200 EMU 0404 and the $3500 Rosetta/Big Ben combo. Well, I promised him I would not go onto any forums and describe what we heard (he's still in disbelief I'm sure) so I'll just leave it at this: EMU 0404 USB owners can also "rest easy" that they are getting truly state of the are high resolution sound out of this little $200 "wonder-box".
    Sadly, I haven't heard it.
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