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    802.11n Devices

    Can anyone comment on future support for 802.11n? Specifically I am referring to any new devices planned that will include 5 GHz 802.11n WiFi.

    I'd like to buy a Squeezebox for the kitchen, but the problem is that when the microwave is turned on there is a lot of interference on the 2.4 GHz band.

    Another benefit of true 802.11n support is that I could configure my 802.11n network for the Greenfield mode of operation such that my other 802.11n devices can achieve highest throughput.

    Another alternative that would be great would be if Logitech offered an upgrade module (i.e. a new mini-PCI card) that would allow me to upgrade devices to 802.11n.

    I'd like to buy another Squeezebox but I don't want to get stuck with a bunch of 802.11g equipment. I'd like everything on my network to be 802.11n within 18 months.

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    802.11n Devices

    bgriffis wrote:
    > Can anyone comment on future support for 802.11n?


    SlimDevices/Logitech never comment on future products.

    > I'd like everything on my network to be
    > 802.11n within 18 months.


    Do you think that the spec will be real by then?
    And of course, 11p will be stared as soon as 11n is final.

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    You'll need to wait 11 months or so before it's even possible to make an 802.11n device, and that's if the ratification process stays on schedule. However if you start shopping 18 months from now, I'd say you're likely to find 802.11n devices on the market, possibly even some from SlimDevices.

    I sincerely hope SlimDevices doesn't join the crowd of manufacturers claiming to support 802.11n before it's possible to truthfully make such a statement.

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    802.11n Devices

    802.11a is also 5Ghz. I think the squeezebox does that? Streaming MP3s
    does not take much bandwidth. Wonder if it would work?

    -Chris

    On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, CatBus
    <CatBus.3kvzon1230061201 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
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    > You'll need to wait 11 months or so before it's even possible to make an
    > 802.11n device, and that's if the ratification process stays on
    > schedule. However if you start shopping 18 months from now, I'd say
    > you're likely to find 802.11n devices on the market, possibly even some
    > from SlimDevices.
    >
    > I sincerely hope SlimDevices doesn't join the crowd of manufacturers
    > claiming to support 802.11n before it's possible to truthfully make
    > such a statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CatBus View Post
    You'll need to wait 11 months or so before it's even possible to make an 802.11n device, and that's if the ratification process stays on schedule. However if you start shopping 18 months from now, I'd say you're likely to find 802.11n devices on the market, possibly even some from SlimDevices.

    I sincerely hope SlimDevices doesn't join the crowd of manufacturers claiming to support 802.11n before it's possible to truthfully make such a statement.
    Slim Devices has made it more then clear on this Forum that they Do Not Intend to go to "N" anytime soon or in the near future. Could that change tomorrow, sure.

    Past reasons for not moving to "N":
    There is not a standardized official specification at this time.
    It would add an unnecessary expense to unit cost.
    Most importantly, its not really needed for what the Squeezeboxes do at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iPhone View Post
    Most importantly, its not really needed for what the Squeezeboxes do at this time.
    I disagree here. Sure, if bandwidth were the only consideration, they don't even need to use 802.11g. But there's range considerations too. Considering that they've got new portable devices (Controller, Boom) and users are already fighting with range issues within the confines of their own houses (see comments in bug#6085), it would be an improvement, at least in some cases. And it'd probably be a noticeable improvement for the original poster too.

    Maybe not enough to justify the per-unit cost, but it'd be an improvement. If I were SlimDevices it certainly wouldn't be my biggest priority, but it'd still be on the list. If the list included technologies that do not yet exist, such as 802.11n...

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    CatBus wrote:
    > iPhone;375006 Wrote:
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    >> Most importantly, its not really needed for what the Squeezeboxes do at
    >> this time.
    >>

    >
    > I disagree here. Sure, if bandwidth were the only consideration, they
    > don't even need to use 802.11g. But there's range considerations too.
    > Considering that they've got new portable devices (Controller, Boom) and
    > users are already fighting with range issues within the confines of
    > their own houses (see comments in bug#6085), it would be an
    > improvement, at least in some cases. And it'd probably be a noticeable
    > improvement for the original poster too.
    >


    Bandwidth is certainly an issue when streaming flacs to multiple SB's
    over the same wireless network. Even more so when the server is also
    wirelessly connected. I try to do everything wired.

    > Maybe not enough to justify the per-unit cost, but it'd be an
    > improvement. If I were SlimDevices it certainly wouldn't be my biggest
    > priority, but it'd still be on the list. If the list included
    > technologies that do not yet exist, such as 802.11n...
    >


    They're probably already testing a number of cards. However in the light
    of wifi problems of the past I can imagine they're not eager to jump
    into an unfinished N standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisla View Post
    802.11a is also 5Ghz. I think the squeezebox does that? Streaming MP3s
    does not take much bandwidth. Wonder if it would work?
    No, 802.11b and 802.11g only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iPhone View Post
    Slim Devices has made it more then clear on this Forum that they Do Not Intend to go to "N" anytime soon or in the near future. Could that change tomorrow, sure.

    Past reasons for not moving to "N":
    There is not a standardized official specification at this time.
    It would add an unnecessary expense to unit cost.
    Most importantly, its not really needed for what the Squeezeboxes do at this time.
    The standard is not finalized, but it seems pretty finalized. Vendors that claim 802.11n support clearly say it's "draft", and supposedly unlikely to change very much (which is unfortunate, since supposedly as soon as your neighbor upgrades to 802.11n, it will interefere with the 802.11g/b bands, forcing adoption of 802.11n...).

    But on the other hand, while I agree that bandwidth is not a bottleneck for music transmission, it may help response time of slim client devices. But then again I also assume that the bottleneck then quickly becomes the processing power on said slim client. By all means, though, I think a product like the Controller could potentially benefit from additional bandwidth.
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    802.11n Devices

    It would also be beneficial to folks using their Slim Devices are wireless
    bridges.

    On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:05 PM, pablolie <
    pablolie.3l21qn1230343801 (AT) no-mx...limdevices.com> wrote:

    >
    > iPhone;375006 Wrote:
    > > Slim Devices has made it more then clear on this Forum that they *Do Not
    > > Intend* to go to "N" anytime soon or in the near future. Could that
    > > change tomorrow, sure.
    > >
    > > Past reasons for not moving to "N":
    > > There is not a standardized official specification at this time.
    > > It would add an unnecessary expense to unit cost.
    > > Most importantly, its not really needed for what the Squeezeboxes do at
    > > this time.

    >
    > The standard is not finalized, but it seems pretty finalized. Vendors
    > that claim 802.11n support clearly say it's "draft", and supposedly
    > unlikely to change very much (which is unfortunate, since supposedly as
    > soon as your neighbor upgrades to 802.11n, it will interefere with the
    > 802.11g/b bands, forcing adoption of 802.11n...).
    >
    > But on the other hand, while I agree that bandwidth is not a bottleneck
    > for music transmission, it may help response time of slim client
    > devices. But then again I also assume that the bottleneck then quickly
    > becomes the processing power on said slim client. By all means, though,
    > I think a product like the Controller could potentially benefit from
    > additional bandwidth.
    >
    >
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