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    Does SlimServer support TSOP tag in FLAC files?

    Recalling the thread below regarding library organization, sorting and tagging, tonight I tried tagging a FLAC album with TSOP tags using <lastname> <firstname>. Then I did a wipe/rescan and it made no difference in the artist sort order.

    http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14967

    Is this supposed to work with FLAC files or is the TSOP tag only recognized by SlimServer in MP3 files?

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    Jason Voegele
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    Does SlimServer support TSOP tag in FLAC files?

    On Sunday 17 July 2005 3:15, JJZolx wrote:
    > Recalling the thread below regarding library organization, sorting and
    > tagging, tonight I tried tagging a FLAC album with TSOP tags using
    > <lastname> <firstname>.
    > [snip]
    > Is this supposed to work with FLAC files or is the TSOP tag only
    > recognized by SlimServer in MP3 files?


    You can use the ARTISTSORT tag for FLAC files. It serves the same purpose as
    the TSOP ID3 tag, but works for FLAC and has a meaningful name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Voegele
    You can use the ARTISTSORT tag for FLAC files. It serves the same purpose as
    the TSOP ID3 tag, but works for FLAC and has a meaningful name.
    Thanks, Jason. The ARISTSORT tag does indeed work. I take it this tag is SlimServer specific? I can't find anything mentioned about it elsewhere.

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    Wow. Thank goodness for search. This was exactly my question. I have a few follow-ups though:

    1) This thread was left hanging. JJZolx asked if the ARTISTSORT is SlimServer specific. Is it?

    2) I hope this one is rhetorical, but just so I make sure I've understood correctly.... I assume that if a track doesn't have the ARTISTSORT (AS) tag set then the Artist tag is used to sort but, if the AS tag is set, then its value is used in place of the Artist tag for sorting. Is this correct? Does this sort order affect all browsing functions, e.g. if I have tracks from an album with Artist tags "David Bowie" and with AS tags "Bowie, David" then all my David Bowie stuff will show up under "B" when I do browse by artist but, when I play something, the Now Playing info will show as "David Bowie". Is all this correct?

    3) Does capitalisation matter in tags, i.e. does it have to be all capitals?

    On a related note, how do tags work in FLAC/Slimserver? Do FLAC files allow for the embedding of ID3 tags or is there some seperate tag format for FLAC? If both alternatives are possible then which is SlimServer using? Is ARTISTSORT a FLAC tag or an embedded ID3 tag?

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    FLAC files use vorbis tags. You can embed ID3 (though I'm not sure why you'd want to) and some players will recognize them, but others will barf on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulianL
    Wow. Thank goodness for search. This was exactly my question. I have a few follow-ups though:

    1) This thread was left hanging. JJZolx asked if the ARTISTSORT is SlimServer specific. Is it?

    2) I hope this one is rhetorical, but just so I make sure I've understood correctly.... I assume that if a track doesn't have the ARTISTSORT (AS) tag set then the Artist tag is used to sort but, if the AS tag is set, then its value is used in place of the Artist tag for sorting. Is this correct? Does this sort order affect all browsing functions, e.g. if I have tracks from an album with Artist tags "David Bowie" and with AS tags "Bowie, David" then all my David Bowie stuff will show up under "B" when I do browse by artist but, when I play something, the Now Playing info will show as "David Bowie". Is all this correct?

    3) Does capitalisation matter in tags, i.e. does it have to be all capitals?

    On a related note, how do tags work in FLAC/Slimserver? Do FLAC files allow for the embedding of ID3 tags or is there some seperate tag format for FLAC? If both alternatives are possible then which is SlimServer using? Is ARTISTSORT a FLAC tag or an embedded ID3 tag?
    2) Yes, that's how it works. ALBUMSORT works similarly. I've played with ALBUMSORT, entering [Year] [AlbumName] to get albums to sort chronologically when browsing artists. This works great, but then browsing albums or artwork, albums end up in Year/AlbumName sort order. Odd, perhaps, but having them in name order isn't any more useful for me.

    3) For vorbis tags, apparently the tag name itself can be upper, lower, or mixed case. The values of tags are also case insensitive: Smith = smith = SMITH. They're stored in the SlimServer database in all caps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJZolx
    2) Yes, that's how it works. ALBUMSORT works similarly. I've played with ALBUMSORT, entering [Year] [AlbumName] to get albums to sort chronologically when browsing artists. This works great, but then browsing albums or artwork, albums end up in Year/AlbumName sort order. Odd, perhaps, but having them in name order isn't any more useful for me.
    Make your ALBUMSORT value equal to [ArtistSort][Year][AlbumName], and you'll have the best of all worlds.

    -=> Mike Hanson <=-

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    That's pretty clever. On reflection I think this is the best compromise for me personally. Like Jim, I really want my albums by artist to sort in chronological order and this does it whithout quite such a disruption (for me) to the sort mode when browsing by album. I'm also now realising that I want two different browse by album modes, one being how your (Mike's) Albumsort key will do it (which is the electronic equivalent of me scanning through my physical CD rack at the moment) but the other being alphabetical browse.

    For some reason I'm having qualms about loosing the alphabetical browsing of album functionality but this is probably my inexperience and I suspect I would never use that anyway. If I want a specific album I can search for it.

    One question. If you search for an album then will the search results be sorted using Albumsort values? This is probably the only area that would bug me a bit. If I search for albums beginning with "An" then I would prefer the search results in alphabetical order by album title not in artist/year order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hanson
    Make your ALBUMSORT value equal to [ArtistSort][Year][AlbumName], and you'll have the best of all worlds.

    -=> Mike Hanson <=-
    I'm just coming to do this and it occurred to me that, for ease of typing, one doesn't really need to bother with the [albumname] at all for most artists do you? In fact it might be the wrong thing to put anyway. If an artist has released 2 albums in the same year then you don't want them alphabetically sorted (probably) but would be better using a/b/c etc to force the sort order.

    I admit I haven't thought through tagging of various artists albums because I have very few and I just categorize them under an artict called various.

    - Julian

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    Ben Sandee
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    Re: Does SlimServer support TSOP tag in FLAC files?

    On 8/2/05, JulianL <JulianL.1t546c (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
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    > One question. If you search for an album then will the search results
    > be sorted using Albumsort values? This is probably the only area that
    > would bug me a bit. If I search for albums beginning with "An" then I
    > would prefer the search results in alphabetical order by album title
    > not in artist/year order.


    A bug you might run into when using these alternate sort tags is this:

    Bugzilla Bug 1636: Searching for artists doesn't search display name
    properly, uses sort order instead

    http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1636

    This is particularly annoying because a search for "bob dylan" returns
    no results but "dylan, bob" works fine. I just end up searching for
    "dylan" though which works just fine I suppose.

    Ben

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