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    early adopters do NOT rule the world

    Quote Originally Posted by JJZolx
    I take it the attitude of this vast majority is due to some kind of concern for security? Like if their PC runs 24 hours per day, they feel they're 12 times as likely to get hacked as when it's only run 2 hours? :-)

    Are people are _really_ that stupid?
    maybe people just don't think like you or have the same needs and value propositions?

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    Question Is SQN the best Internet Radio solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by nhopton
    There are going to be a lot of people like me whose main reason for buying the SB2 is its ability to stream Internet radio without messing about with a computer. I see this as the *major* market for the SB2 and it could be a huge one.
    I think SQN is a great idea technologically, but surely if you are targeting users who want to listen to Internet Radio (which I agree is an important capability), the best way to do this is to make the SB capable of accessing a reasonable number of preset URLs without any server (like Roku does) rather than using a remote server.

    The other Internet Radio activity that may become increasingly important is the "Listen Again" facility like that offered by the BBC - I am using AlienBBC a lot since I installed it - and that may be a good reason for SQN.

    And while we're at it, what happens on SQN with VIP streams in Live365? (though I suppose I'll find out in a few minutes as soon as I install SQN...)

    --Richard E

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    Quote Originally Posted by relen
    ...[snip]
    And while we're at it, what happens on SQN with VIP streams in Live365? (though I suppose I'll find out in a few minutes as soon as I install SQN...)

    --Richard E
    Well, do VIP streams work through the SqueezeNetwork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by relen
    I think SQN is a great idea technologically, but surely if you are targeting users who want to listen to Internet Radio (which I agree is an important capability), the best way to do this is to make the SB capable of accessing a reasonable number of preset URLs without any server (like Roku does) rather than using a remote server.
    [...]
    Hello Richard, I think this is all coming for the SB2 isn't it? I'm sure I read something to this effect recently. One of the stations I really enjoy is K-JAZZ out of Long Beach but at present I have to access this stream using SlimServer, roll on the day when I will be able to store the URL of this stream in the SB2.

    Can someone just confirm that the day is coming?

    Regards,
    Nick.

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    Re: SqueezeNetwork - FundamentalQuestion

    On May 22, 2005, at 2:22 AM, relen wrote:
    >> There are going to be a lot of people like me whose main reason for
    >> buying the SB2 is its ability to stream Internet radio without
    >> messing
    >> about with a computer. I see this as the *major* market for the
    >> SB2 and
    >> it could be a huge one.
    >>

    >
    > I think SQN is a great idea technologically, but surely if you are
    > targeting users who want to listen to Internet Radio (which I agree is
    > an important capability), the best way to do this is to make the SB
    > capable of accessing a reasonable number of preset URLs without any
    > server (like Roku does) rather than using a remote server.

    SqueezeNetwork provides a Favorites section that lets the user save
    an number of preset URLs.

    The "remote server" provides a much better user experience than just
    having a short list of URLs to enter manually.

    For example, the Live Music Archive of the Internet Archive <http://
    www.archive.org/audio/etree.php> is available for browsing and
    playback, as are a large number of environmental sounds (I find
    Thunder and Rain very soothing), an alarm clock, a "staff favorites"
    section called Slim Devices Picks and, of course, access to the
    indices of several streaming music providers (SHOUTcast, radioio,
    etc...)

    > The other Internet Radio activity that may become increasingly
    > important is the "Listen Again" facility like that offered by the
    > BBC -
    > I am using AlienBBC a lot since I installed it - and that may be a
    > good
    > reason for SQN.

    Exactly. Our plans are to continually provide access to more content
    over time.

    > And while we're at it, what happens on SQN with VIP streams in
    > Live365?
    > (though I suppose I'll find out in a few minutes as soon as I install
    > SQN...)

    Right now, the Live365 access isn't turned on in SQN, but we're only
    getting started...

    -dean

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    Is SQN the best Internet Radio solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by relen
    I think SQN is a great idea technologically, but surely if you are targeting users who want to listen to Internet Radio (which I agree is an important capability), the best way to do this is to make the SB capable of accessing a reasonable number of preset URLs without any server (like Roku does) rather than using a remote server.

    The other Internet Radio activity that may become increasingly important is the "Listen Again" facility like that offered by the BBC - I am using AlienBBC a lot since I installed it - and that may be a good reason for SQN.

    And while we're at it, what happens on SQN with VIP streams in Live365? (though I suppose I'll find out in a few minutes as soon as I install SQN...)
    My initial thoughts as well. But either implementation can work. In order for you to listen to an Internet radio station, you'll need an good link to the Internet, so accessing the Squeezenetwork first to get this functionality shouldn't make much difference.

    But there are certainly some tall challenges ahead for Slim Devices in providing this service.

    First, the network must _always_ be available. We all know what happens when key servers go down - "bad" things are said, buyer confidence wains, sales plummet, companies disappear. Now, 100% uptime is very nearly achievable, but it's costly and requires a lot of planning - equipment redundancy, quality datacenters with multiple upstream providers, good power backup, generators, etc.

    Secondly, they'll probably need to have server installations physically located all over the world for UI performance reasons. At the very least, one in Europe. With the same caveats regarding near 100% availability.

    I expect to see this functionality in a number of other consumer devices, but more likely embedded in firmware. Take an XBox 360 or Playstation 3, or the typical DVD player with an added ethernet port and a little programming, and you'll have 90% of the Squeezenetwork functionality without the 'network' concerns or costs.
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    Last edited by JJZolx; 2011-01-22 at 16:36.

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    [...] SqueezeNetwork provides a Favorites section that lets the user save an number of preset URLs. The "remote server" provides a much better user experience than just having a short list of URLs to enter manually. [...]
    This is all good stuff, of course, but the facility needs to exist to enter and store URLs by hand as well. Some of the Internet radio streams I listen to aren't listed by Shoutcast, et cetera and I need to be able to enter the URLs for these manually into 'Favourites' either from the PC or by using the remote.

    Do confirm that it will be possible to do this before too long.

    Regards,
    Nick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dean
    ...[snip]
    Right now, the Live365 access isn't turned on in SQN, but we're only
    getting started...

    -dean
    Tell me when Live365 VIP access is turned on (I assume this will be May as you state in all the SQN blurb :-) and I'll buy a Squeezebox2. Simple as that.
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