Radio Station streaming has become too intermittent... HELP!

[doobre]

Oakie

1. "Summary, for testing, I prefer a LMS and server independent player" > will VLC do (I copy paste the url).?

2. "ideally a h/w Sb player" > I have a second Boom. will that do.?

3. "but secondary squeezelite on a non-LMS system" > I have Squeezelite-X on a second PC [it has no SQbox or LMS software installed] is that ok.?

AND

4. by "not indirect" you mean the URL of the source, without any 3rd party plug-in or pass-thru.? SO "http://ice1.somafm.com/groovesalad-128-mp3" is good > but "https://tunein.com/radio/SomaFM-Groove-Salad-s2591/" is not..?

Thank you for hand holding me with this.. cheers CD

[Paul Webster]

4. by "not indirect" you mean the URL of the source, without any 3rd party plug-in or pass-thru.? SO "http://ice1.somafm.com/groovesalad-128-mp3" is good > but "https://tunein.com/radio/SomaFM-Groove-Salad-s2591/" is not..?

From bpa's earlier message

To stream direct
(i) stream - needs to be a HTTP/MP3 - not HTTPS or redirected to HTTPS. It should be a real stream, not a streamed file or a streamed podcast (i.e. not fixed duration). AAC stream can be used but only for newer players with AAC support.
(ii) Player is either connected to mysqueezebox.com or LMS. Ideally LMS so logging can be done.
(iii) If player is connected to LMS - make sure it is playing direct (i.e WebUI Setting/Player/Audio/Streaming Method ->Direct )

Indirect v Direct ... see (iii) above
Also - yes - avoid using TuneIn for these tests.

[Redrum]

2. "ideally a h/w Sb player" > I have a second Boom. will that do.?

quick question - you never identified what sb device(s) you were using. @bpa guessed a radio because of your post on another thread. "second boom" would indicate both are booms? Can you please clarify? It might not matter, but it would be good to know. Some players have unique architecture/behavior that may contribute/identify symptoms.

Jim

[bpa]

1. "Summary, for testing, I prefer a LMS and server independent player" > will VLC do (I copy paste the url).?

I meant a LMS player but not running on the same servers as the LMS system.

VLC is good for comparison to playing a stream on a player. VLC gives certainty about the URL being played and provides good logging unlike playing a stream within a browser.

2. "ideally a h/w Sb player" > I have a second Boom. will that do.?

Only for MP3 stream not for AAC as Boom cannot play AAC natively.

3. "but secondary squeezelite on a non-LMS system" > I have Squeezelite-X on a second PC [it has no SQbox or LMS software installed] is that ok.?

IIRC There was a thread about playing problem with Squeezelite-X which required special settings - I don't know how it ended. So I have reservation about Squeezelite-X as it may be bringing its own problems.

4. by "not indirect" you mean the URL of the source, without any 3rd party plug-in or pass-thru.? SO "http://ice1.somafm.com/groovesalad-128-mp3" is good > but "https://tunein.com/radio/SomaFM-Groove-Salad-s2591/" is not..?

Cannot be certain with a Tune-in URL whether it is suitable to be played direct. The Tune-in URL returns a playlist of playable URLs - could be http or https, could be MP3 or AAC, OGG or even WMA as that is requested "formats=aac,ogg,mp3,wmpro,wma,wmvoice"

By using a ice1.somafm.com URL - there is no ambiguity - it is always HTTP and always MP3.

[doobre]

All the provided URLS should be reliable.

Was one or more of the stream unreliable - didn't play, buffered, something else etc.

If you have a problem playing any one of them please report it as it may indicate a source of your problems.

http://icecast.thisisdax.com/Capital >>> rebuffering on desktop squeezelite PC within 30seconds - plays then crashes LMC within 30seconds, restart PC required > stops in VLC after 50 seconds - very fast to start

http://stream.live.vc.bbcmedia.co.uk/bbc_world_service >>> rebuffering on desktop Squeezelite PC within 90seconds > rebuffering on LMS within 90seconds > stops on VLC after 50seconds

http://ice1.somafm.com/groovesalad-128-mp3 >>> rebuffering on desktop Squeezelite PC within 120seconds > rebuffering on LMS within 120seconds > stops on VLC after 90seconds - last longer

http://stream.live.vc.bbcmedia.co.uk/bbc_6music >>> rebuffering on desktop squeezelite PC within 30seconds > rebuffering on LMS within 30seconds > stops on VLC after 40seconds

http://stream.radioparadise.com/aac-32 >>> rebuffering on desktop squeezelite PC within 30seconds > rebuffering on LMS within 30seconds > stops on VLC after 40 seconds - fast to start

All the links I got from you were saved to mysqueezebox.com first the opened in the three players [1. desktop PC Squeezlite, 2. Boom thru LMS and 3. VLC on the same squeezelite PC copy/pasted url]

cheers CD

[doobre]

quick question - you never identified what sb device(s) you were using. @bpa guessed a radio because of your post on another thread. "second boom" would indicate both are booms? Can you please clarify? It might not matter, but it would be good to know. Some players have unique architecture/behavior that may contribute/identify symptoms.

Jim

no probs
two booms - ethernet
three radios - wifi
receiver - wifi

LMS is set to "direct streaming" for every player.. confirmed

So like when Capital Radio crashes the LMS, all units are DISCONNECTED regardless of their playing status, on-off, local media or stream, everything stops and PC restart is required.
cheers CD

[Paul Webster]

That is all very strange.

I just tried the Radio Paradise stream URL in VLC for Windows and it worked fine - and I left it playing for 2 songs and then I stopped it.
No problems reported.

So this looks like a networking problem in your home network or possibly your ISP.

in VLC do you see and errors reported under VLC/Tools/Messages ?
You can also increase the log level in there from the default of 0 (errors) to 1 or 2 (debug).

[bpa]

Since all station have problem on all players.

How is the PC running VLC conencted to Local network ?
How is the PC running squeezelite connected tpo Local network ?

Is the PC running Squeezelitr the same as VLC ?

If the PC are networks using Wifi - can you test them with wired connection to router ?

Time to simplify and concentrate on just two scenarios

Can you get a log of playing the BBC 6 music on VLC.
1. Start VLC
2. Open the messages window from Tools/Message menu
3. Change verbosity to "2 (debug)"
4. Play the BBC 6 Music URL
5. When stations stops, wait 1 min, then save the message using "Save as.." button in Messages - zip and attach to a post.

To debug Capital Station - crash.
1. Delete server.log to get rid of old messages.
2. Enable logging (WebUI Settings/Advanced/Logging) player.source, player.streaming, player.streaming.direct and player.streaming remote all to INFO - remember to click Apply
3. Play the Capital Station UK URL y pasting into the Tune-In URL and start playing.
4a. When PC has locked up - start Task Manager (CTRL+ALT+DEL) and Kill both Slimserver processes
4b. If Task manager cannot be run reboot PC
5. When control is returned, copy server.log, zip and attach to a post.

[doobre]

Since all station have problem on all players.

How is the PC running VLC connected to Local network ?
A. VLC is installed on the main and second PC, SECOND PC is ethernet through Netgear 8 port switch (unmanaged), which is connected to a MediaAccess TG789MYRvac v2 HP router provided by the ISP. MAIN PC is ethernet direct to the router

How is the PC running squeezelite connected tpo Local network ?
A. It is the "main" PC connected direct to ISP router.
NOTE 2: I can also use Squeezboxlite on the PC which is running LMS (the SECOND PC), if required, that is connected the same as above.

Is the PC running Squeezelitr the same as VLC ?
A. YES in my first tests, but now I have attached two logs, one for playing BBC6 thru VLC on MAIN pc and one playing on the SECOND (LMS) PC.

If the PC are networks using Wifi - can you test them with wired connection to router ?
A. All PC's are ethernet - LMS (SECOND PC) and Flex server (THIRD PC) are through the netgear switch mentioned above, MAIN PC is direct to ISP router. BOOM is also ethernet direct to the ISP router

-------------------------------------------------------------

Time to simplify and concentrate on just two scenarios

Can you get a log of playing the BBC 6 music on VLC.
1. Start VLC
2. Open the messages window from Tools/Message menu
3. Change verbosity to "2 (debug)"
4. Play the BBC 6 Music URL
5. When stations stops, wait 1 min, then save the message using "Save as.." button in Messages - zip and attach to a post.
NOTE: zip attached filenames = BBC6 thru VLC on same PC as LMS is running and BBC6 thru VLC on MAIN PC.zip


To debug Capital Station - crash.
1. Delete server.log to get rid of old messages.
A. I stopped the server running, deleted the "server.log" file, restarted LMS server

2. Enable logging (WebUI Settings/Advanced/Logging) player.source, player.streaming, player.streaming.direct and player.streaming remote all to INFO - remember to click Apply
3. Play the Capital Station UK URL y pasting into the Tune-In URL and start playing.
4a. When PC has locked up - start Task Manager (CTRL+ALT+DEL) and Kill both Slimserver processes
A. There are no "slimserver" processes. But there are three LMS processes being ("Logitech Media Server (32bit)", "Logitech Media Server Control Panel (32bit)", and "Logitech Media Server Tray Icon") I end task for all three.

4b. If Task manager cannot be run reboot PC
5. When control is returned, copy server.log, zip and attach to a post.
A. attached two logs for both attempts to play CAPITAL Radio filenames = 14.05 Capital Crash on LMS PC server.log.zip and 14.30 Capital Crash on LMS PC server.log.zip

Hi there
The answers are inline above and zip files are attached of the logs. The name of the file gives details.

[doobre]

Here are three screenshots

Capital radio - message immediately at start of play URL.jpg = message was displayed on the LMS PC immediately I clicked 'play' of the Capital Radio link in LMS

Capital radio - message immediately at start of play URL 2.jpg = repeated the same as above.

Capital radio - win10 task manager after LMS crash.jpg = resulting win10 task manager processess once Capital had crashed LMS