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    Moode vs Squeezelite

    Another thread piqued my interest in Moode Audio for the Raspberry Pi. Since I had a spare micro SD card I thought I would try it out. Now I have a problem. I have a sneaking suspicion that MPD in Moode sounds better than Squeezelite. I have no idea how this could be true and I don't want it to be true. Has anyone else compared them? I hoped @Archimago might have tested both but it appears not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slartibartfast View Post
    Another thread piqued my interest in Moode Audio for the Raspberry Pi. Since I had a spare micro SD card I thought I would try it out. Now I have a problem. I have a sneaking suspicion that MPD in Moode sounds better than Squeezelite. I have no idea how this could be true and I don't want it to be true. Has anyone else compared them? I hoped @Archimago might have tested both but it appears not.

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    I will agree that there is a difference

    I have dallied with MoOde over a number of years and just this weekend I have started to set up a playback system as an internet radio.

    It's a faff to upgrade the urls for Radio France and the metadata is pants (I think this is a MPD thing)

    Radio Paradise sounds really nice

    ronnie

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    Quote Originally Posted by slartibartfast View Post
    Another thread piqued my interest in Moode Audio for the Raspberry Pi. Since I had a spare micro SD card I thought I would try it out. Now I have a problem. I have a sneaking suspicion that MPD in Moode sounds better than Squeezelite. I have no idea how this could be true and I don't want it to be true. Has anyone else compared them? I hoped @Archimago might have tested both but it appears not.

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    It might sound “better” in a sense that better can mean a lot of different things to different people . A bit of signal processing and some equalization or even non linear transformation…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Man in a van View Post
    I will agree that there is a difference

    I have dallied with MoOde over a number of years and just this weekend I have started to set up a playback system as an internet radio.

    It's a faff to upgrade the urls for Radio France and the metadata is pants (I think this is a MPD thing)

    Radio Paradise sounds really nice

    ronnie
    The whole interface is pants


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    Quote Originally Posted by philippe_44 View Post
    It might sound “better” in a sense that better can mean a lot of different things to different people . A bit of signal processing and some equalization or even non linear transformation…
    That is what I can't be sure of. As far as I can tell all processing is turned off but how can I be sure. That is where Archimago comes in

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    MoOde

    Audio information
    Input / Output
    Source http://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac
    Encoded at VBR compression
    Decoded to 16 bit, 48 kHz, Stereo, 181 kbps
    Output rate 16 bit, 48 kHz, Stereo, 1.536 Mbps
    Output mode ALSA Direct (hw)
    Output chain MPD -> hw -> Device
    DSP operations
    Resample rate Off
    Selective rate Off
    Resample quality Off
    CamillaDSP Off
    Volume mixer Software (MPD)
    Audio Device
    Device Pi Headphone jack
    Mixer name Headphone
    Chip Broadcom SoC
    Interface SOC
    Formats U8, S16_LE
    Platform Pi-3B+ 1.3 1GB

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Squeezelite


    File Format: AAC
    Bitrate: 192kbps CBR
    Sample Rate: 48.0 kHz
    URL: http://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac

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    Quote Originally Posted by Man in a van View Post
    MoOde

    Audio information
    Input / Output
    Source http://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac
    Encoded at VBR compression
    Decoded to 16 bit, 48 kHz, Stereo, 181 kbps
    Output rate 16 bit, 48 kHz, Stereo, 1.536 Mbps
    Output mode ALSA Direct (hw)
    Output chain MPD -> hw -> Device
    DSP operations
    Resample rate Off
    Selective rate Off
    Resample quality Off
    CamillaDSP Off
    Volume mixer Software (MPD)
    Audio Device
    Device Pi Headphone jack
    Mixer name Headphone
    Chip Broadcom SoC
    Interface SOC
    Formats U8, S16_LE
    Platform Pi-3B+ 1.3 1GB

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Squeezelite


    File Format: AAC
    Bitrate: 192kbps CBR
    Sample Rate: 48.0 kHz
    URL: http://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac
    I have the same settings. Did you switch between MPD and Squeezelite in Moode? There must be a measurable reason for the sound difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slartibartfast View Post
    I have the same settings. Did you switch between MPD and Squeezelite in Moode?

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    No, it was just a quick attempt to find some info

    The squeezelite was LMS output to a SBRadio

    It was too late at night.

    I might try later in the day if I feel like it

    ronnie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Man in a van View Post
    I will agree that there is a difference

    I have dallied with MoOde over a number of years and just this weekend I have started to set up a playback system as an internet radio.

    It's a faff to upgrade the urls for Radio France and the metadata is pants (I think this is a MPD thing)

    Radio Paradise sounds really nice

    ronnie
    Connect MoOde via the upnp/DLNA bridge and all the interface and metadata issues disappear

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    Quote Originally Posted by philippe_44 View Post
    non linear transformation…
    Is that diplomatic code for "distortion"?

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