Home of the Squeezebox™ & Transporter® network music players.
Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 47

Thread: Lms

  1. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    201
    Quote Originally Posted by d6jg View Post
    piCorePlayer is definitely the easiest by some way these days
    Agreed! Although I am running LMS for years now on a customized barebone PC with Linux, the most straightforward way of running it these days is indeed piCorePlayer however.
    A self installed, customized system is IMO a poweruser solution and more suited for specific use cases (like mine).

    Running it on a RPI also has advantages because of the power consumption compared to running it on a PC or NAS btw.
    Living Room: RPI2+HifiBerry DAC+ Pro & piCorePlayer
    Attic: RPI2+HifiBerry DAC+ RCA & piCorePlayer
    Other rooms: 6x SB Radio
    LMS: Version 8.2.0 on Xubuntu 21.10

  2. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    21,542
    Quote Originally Posted by cliveb View Post
    While the Polyvection players look decent value, I can't see how the price of the CORE32 server can be justified. Setting up piCorePlayer as a LMS server on a RPi really is child's play, and can be done for less than half the cost of a CORE32.
    Out of curiousity,I got a CORE32 at launch price which was better value. It sits there working, no maintenance, updates happen by themselves. As a tinkerer, I am little annoyed it doesn;t have the latest updates and worry what happens if Polyvection disappears - that said I have now unused old Odroid and Cubie boards which suffered from similar issues.

    It is a conservative solution for user who want absolutely nothing to do. Why do people pay for windowcleaners ?
    For someone who wants to set up an LMS system for an elderly parent/relative - it probably provides "peace of mind" at a small once off price. It is probably a "long tail" solution for a small number of users .

    Polyvection may have got their business case a bit wrong before launch (and/or chip shortage) which resulted in the now higher price than they first announced. They have included their own RTOS (for their own h/w design) so that means some ongoing extra port/test costs and also may explains few updates.

    It is good there is now a selection of very usable solutions available for users - each of which has pros/cons : Polyvection, Max2play, Picoreplayer, Raspbian, Windows etc. The choice is the best for years - especially when I remember the early attempts of a cheap LMS on the NLSU2 (nicknamed Slug for a a good reason)

  3. #13
    Senior Member Labarum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Southampton, UK & Nicosia, Cyprus
    Posts
    820
    Quote Originally Posted by agbagb View Post
    I've run LMS and Squeezebox arrays on Windows (currently Win11) with very, very few problems, for many, many years.

    Maybe I'm that "lucky customer" but I've had very, very few general Windows hiccups at all, in any regard, over 20+ years.
    That is my experience too. Now, though, my PC is 15 years old and has run out of steam, and even with an SSD installed to try to speed it up it is no longer fit for purpose. Windows on an inadequate machine was causing me problems, not LMS on Windows; so last week I jumped ship to a Raspberry Pi 4 to run LMS. It uses a lot less power than a PC and costs a lot less to buy! I will keep the old PC for now and wind it up only when I must use Windows - that will not be often, says he typing on one of the latest Chromebooks.
    Brian

    In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom.

    In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s

  4. #14
    Senior Member agbagb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    France
    Posts
    667
    Quote Originally Posted by Labarum View Post
    That is my experience too. Now, though, my PC is 15 years old and has run out of steam, and even with an SSD installed to try to speed it up it is no longer fit for purpose. Windows on an inadequate machine was causing me problems, not LMS on Windows; so last week I jumped ship to a Raspberry Pi 4 to run LMS. It uses a lot less power than a PC and costs a lot less to buy! I will keep the old PC for now and wind it up only when I must use Windows - that will not be often, says he typing on one of the latest Chromebooks.

    For reasons not to do with LMS, I update my assorted Windows machine every, say, 3 years. So I've never really been subject to elderly machines huffing and puffing........ I did fire up a 12 year old (spare) PC desktop a few months ago, just to keep it more-or-less updated - and it was like wading through treacle!
    8.2.1 - 1639114554
    Win11
    Control: Web GUI; MaterialSkin on Android phones / pads

    Machines / devices are in France, in two locations.
    a) Livebox 5
    Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), LAN Desktop
    3 x Touch - 1 wireless, 2 LAN. (8.0.1-r16862)
    2 x SB Radios [wireless] (8.0.1-r16867)
    2 x SqueezeAmps

    b) Freebox
    External SSD, WiFi Laptop
    1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:8.0.1-r16862)
    2 x SB Radios, Wireless (8.0.1-r16867)

  5. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Hertfordshire
    Posts
    8,923
    Quote Originally Posted by bpa View Post
    Out of curiousity,I got a CORE32 at launch price which was better value. It sits there working, no maintenance, updates happen by themselves. As a tinkerer, I am little annoyed it doesn;t have the latest updates and worry what happens if Polyvection disappears - that said I have now unused old Odroid and Cubie boards which suffered from similar issues.

    It is a conservative solution for user who want absolutely nothing to do. Why do people pay for windowcleaners ?
    For someone who wants to set up an LMS system for an elderly parent/relative - it probably provides "peace of mind" at a small once off price. It is probably a "long tail" solution for a small number of users .

    Polyvection may have got their business case a bit wrong before launch (and/or chip shortage) which resulted in the now higher price than they first announced. They have included their own RTOS (for their own h/w design) so that means some ongoing extra port/test costs and also may explains few updates.

    It is good there is now a selection of very usable solutions available for users - each of which has pros/cons : Polyvection, Max2play, Picoreplayer, Raspbian, Windows etc. The choice is the best for years - especially when I remember the early attempts of a cheap LMS on the NLSU2 (nicknamed Slug for a a good reason)
    Low.power options for LMS have come a long way from pogoplugs

    Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

  6. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    21,542
    Quote Originally Posted by slartibartfast View Post
    Low.power options for LMS have come a long way from pogoplugs
    It used to be "low power" meant "limited functionality". Now with Pi4 and even CORE32 - these units are not only low power but can support sync on many players, do full transcoding and possible DRC and other processing stuff. It is also now simpler to add a Pi based LMS than play around with custom NAS builds. Although for some NAS there is a Docker alternative.

    The LMS ecosystem has also been improved by the availability of the low cost, quick to start ESP32 based players as an genuine alternative to bridged BT/UPNP/Airplay speakers.
    * PI3/4 based players are now the high end/highly customisable "player" solution.
    * Pi Zero cheaper but still with PCP
    * ESP32 - Philippe's excellent Squeezeamps, Polyvection DAC32 and now Raspiaudio products such as ready to go ESP Muse Luxe (mine is due on Fri) and the prototype board ESP32 MUSE Proto https://forum.raspiaudio.com/t/multi...muse-proto/291

  7. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Hertfordshire
    Posts
    8,923
    Quote Originally Posted by bpa View Post
    It used to be "low power" meant "limited functionality". Now with Pi4 and even CORE32 - these units are not only low power but can support sync on many players, do full transcoding and possible DRC and other processing stuff. It is also now simpler to add a Pi based LMS than play around with custom NAS builds. Although for some NAS there is a Docker alternative.

    The LMS ecosystem has also been improved by the availability of the low cost, quick to start ESP32 based players as an genuine alternative to bridged BT/UPNP/Airplay speakers.
    * PI3/4 based players are now the high end/highly customisable "player" solution.
    * Pi Zero cheaper but still with PCP
    * ESP32 - Philippe's excellent Squeezeamps, Polyvection DAC32 and now Raspiaudio products such as ready to go ESP Muse Luxe (mine is due on Fri) and the prototype board ESP32 MUSE Proto https://forum.raspiaudio.com/t/multi...muse-proto/291
    Where did you order your Raspiaudio player from? I only see it on Amazon.fr and they are sold out.

    Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

  8. #18
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    21,542
    Quote Originally Posted by slartibartfast View Post
    Where did you order your Raspiaudio player from? I only see it on Amazon.fr and they are sold out.
    I ordered from their website on 12th (I think) and I think even then it said "on backorder" - very very shortly afterwards, ordering moved to Amazon.
    Delivery is coming from Amazon.fr - so I have a crossover order.

  9. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Hertfordshire
    Posts
    8,923
    Quote Originally Posted by bpa View Post
    I ordered from their website on 12th (I think) and I think even then it said "on backorder" - very very shortly afterwards, ordering moved to Amazon.
    Delivery is coming from Amazon.fr - so I have a crossover order.
    I suppose being in the EU Amazon.fr is OK for you

    Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

  10. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    21,542
    Quote Originally Posted by slartibartfast View Post
    I suppose being in the EU Amazon.fr is OK for you
    Brexit has made life weird. I now use Amazon.de a good deal (because they seem to want the displaced uk users - they have english option), but for some goods (i.e. electrical UK plug, PC keyboards) I'll use amazon.co.uk - Amazon deal with all custom & duty up to Ç150 - not sure what happens above Ç150. For other UK onlin e shopping I used a UK based reshipper which deal with required custom declarations etc.
    Not used amazon.fr (yet) as no english option and can see little difference between UK and FR. I have also bought from amazon.it as there is some price difference/availability with some products - strange.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •