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    5g wifi speakers? sick of 2g squeezebox issues but still want to continue using LMS..

    So I would like to start adding on to my squeezebox environment. I'm sick of dealing with wifi issues and rebuffering and the speakers being somewhat outdated now that I'd like to start thinking of how to slowly sift out of the squeezebox hardware.
    I still see myself using the radios and touch until the screens die as the weather and functionality is great, even if the sound quality is awful(it was good in its day).

    I'm looking for speakers where I can Bluetooth stream from my phone if I want, as well as see these speakers on LMS to be able to play right from LMS to the speakers.
    Audioengine and various others make Bluetooth speakers, but what I'm looking for as well is for the same speakers to show up on LMS without an actual LMS client. Are there are there any out there other than having to add a squeezebox client, is there a way through a dlna supported speaker to see it on LMS?

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    I use the UPnP/DLNA bridge plugin which allows me to play direct to my Kef LSX speakers - I'm listening to them now, as it happens. I assume the same would be possible with Kef's LS50 Wireless speakers, which are bigger. The LSXs also work with the Airplay plugin, but I think I'm right in saying the DLNA plugin allows a higher bitrate. In earler versions of the DLNA plugin I had problems with playback not moving on to the next track reliably, but there is a plugin setting to force the player to move on which seems to do the trick with the current version.

    The LSXs can be temperamental to set up (some people will say that's an understatement), but once they are working they sound very good for a small speaker.

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    5g wifi speakers? sick of 2g squeezebox issues but still want to continue using LMS..

    You can also use some pi4 or clones (I think the radxa zero is 5GHz as well) or at least use some squeezelite-esp32 based device to use 802.11n which is still 2.4 but much better.
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    Anything with built in Airplay or Chromecast can be seen as players if you instal the relevant plugins on LMS.

    Add the material skin plug-in too and you can easily control them via your phones (as well as tablets and computers of course).

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    1 x Duet, 3 x Yamaha Restio, 3 x Radio, 2 x Touch with iPeng 9 served by Synology DS2419+, Docker and LMS 8.2.0

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    LMS to KEF LSX

    Quote Originally Posted by stevebaggs View Post
    I use the UPnP/DLNA bridge plugin which allows me to play direct to my Kef LSX speakers - I'm listening to them now, as it happens. I assume the same would be possible with Kef's LS50 Wireless speakers, which are bigger. The LSXs also work with the Airplay plugin, but I think I'm right in saying the DLNA plugin allows a higher bitrate. In earler versions of the DLNA plugin I had problems with playback not moving on to the next track reliably, but there is a plugin setting to force the player to move on which seems to do the trick with the current version.

    The LSXs can be temperamental to set up (some people will say that's an understatement), but once they are working they sound very good for a small speaker.
    Hi Steve, I'm struggling to play direct to LSX speakers - all looks okay but no sound. Any chance you could post your UPnP/DLNA settings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenwneill View Post
    Hi Steve, I'm struggling to play direct to LSX speakers - all looks okay but no sound. Any chance you could post your UPnP/DLNA settings?
    I'm not sure whether it will help, but I've copied the file upnpbridge.xml below (I've starred out a couple of identifying numbers in the device section at the end).

    As far as I can remember, the only changes I've made from the default settings are:-

    - Set "Transcode" to PCM, and tick the "Flow" box and set it to "plain 24 bits". According to the documentation, this causes the plugin to send data to the speakers as a continuous stream rather than one track at a time, and I did it to improve reliability at moving from one track to the next which used to fail occasionally. It is now completely reliable, and the fact that this setting means no metadata is sent to the speakers doesn't matter since they don't have a display.

    and

    - Maximum volume 100, LMS volume changes - only when playing, Feedback to LMS Yes

    The latter setting might have something to do with your "no sound" problem, perhaps. I can control the volume of the speakers from my LMS controller and from Material Skin, which is absolutely brilliant - makes the whole thing really nice to use. I do hope we can get yours working too.

    upnpbridge.xml:-
    ================================================== ================================================== ===========
    <?xml version="1.0"?>
    <squeeze2upnp>
    <upnp_log>info</upnp_log>
    <decode_log>warn</decode_log>
    <common>
    <server>?</server>
    <send_coverart>1</send_coverart>
    <seek_after_pause>0</seek_after_pause>
    <codecs>aac,ogg,ops,ogf,flc,alc,wav,aif,pcm,mp3</codecs>
    <mode>pcm,flow</mode>
    <stream_length>-3</stream_length>
    <next_delay>15</next_delay>
    <accept_nexturi>1</accept_nexturi>
    <send_metadata>1</send_metadata>
    <L24_format>0</L24_format>
    <sample_rate>96000</sample_rate>
    <volume_on_play>1</volume_on_play>
    <flac_header>1</flac_header>
    <raw_audio_format>raw,wav,aif</raw_audio_format>
    <volume_feedback>1</volume_feedback>
    <auto_play>0</auto_play>
    <max_volume>100</max_volume>
    <enabled>1</enabled>
    <send_icy>1</send_icy>
    <streambuf_size>1048576</streambuf_size>
    <remove_timeout>120</remove_timeout>
    <output_size>4194304</output_size>
    <roon_mode>0</roon_mode>
    <forced_mimetypes></forced_mimetypes>
    <coverart></coverart>
    <resample_options></resample_options>
    </common>
    <slimproto_log>info</slimproto_log>
    <log_limit>-1</log_limit>
    <slimmain_log>warn</slimmain_log>
    <main_log>info</main_log>
    <output_log>info</output_log>
    <util_log>warn</util_log>
    <stream_log>warn</stream_log>
    <binding>?</binding>
    <device>
    <name>Kef LSX DLNA</name>
    <udn>uuid:**************</udn>
    <enabled>1</enabled>
    <mac>************</mac>
    <friendly_name>Kef LSX</friendly_name>
    </device>
    <device>
    <friendly_name>[TV]Samsung LED22</friendly_name>
    <mac>**********</mac>
    <enabled>0</enabled>
    <udn>uuid:***************</udn>
    <name>[TV]Samsung LED22</name>
    </device>
    </squeeze2upnp>

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevebaggs View Post
    I'm not sure whether it will help, but I've copied the file upnpbridge.xml below (I've starred out a couple of identifying numbers in the device section at the end).

    As far as I can remember, the only changes I've made from the default settings are:-

    - Set "Transcode" to PCM, and tick the "Flow" box and set it to "plain 24 bits". According to the documentation, this causes the plugin to send data to the speakers as a continuous stream rather than one track at a time, and I did it to improve reliability at moving from one track to the next which used to fail occasionally. It is now completely reliable, and the fact that this setting means no metadata is sent to the speakers doesn't matter since they don't have a display.

    and

    - Maximum volume 100, LMS volume changes - only when playing, Feedback to LMS Yes

    The latter setting might have something to do with your "no sound" problem, perhaps. I can control the volume of the speakers from my LMS controller and from Material Skin, which is absolutely brilliant - makes the whole thing really nice to use. I do hope we can get yours working too.

    upnpbridge.xml:-
    ================================================== ================================================== ===========
    <?xml version="1.0"?>
    <squeeze2upnp>
    <upnp_log>info</upnp_log>
    <decode_log>warn</decode_log>
    <common>
    <server>?</server>
    <send_coverart>1</send_coverart>
    <seek_after_pause>0</seek_after_pause>
    <codecs>aac,ogg,ops,ogf,flc,alc,wav,aif,pcm,mp3</codecs>
    <mode>pcm,flow</mode>
    <stream_length>-3</stream_length>
    <next_delay>15</next_delay>
    <accept_nexturi>1</accept_nexturi>
    <send_metadata>1</send_metadata>
    <L24_format>0</L24_format>
    <sample_rate>96000</sample_rate>
    <volume_on_play>1</volume_on_play>
    <flac_header>1</flac_header>
    <raw_audio_format>raw,wav,aif</raw_audio_format>
    <volume_feedback>1</volume_feedback>
    <auto_play>0</auto_play>
    <max_volume>100</max_volume>
    <enabled>1</enabled>
    <send_icy>1</send_icy>
    <streambuf_size>1048576</streambuf_size>
    <remove_timeout>120</remove_timeout>
    <output_size>4194304</output_size>
    <roon_mode>0</roon_mode>
    <forced_mimetypes></forced_mimetypes>
    <coverart></coverart>
    <resample_options></resample_options>
    </common>
    <slimproto_log>info</slimproto_log>
    <log_limit>-1</log_limit>
    <slimmain_log>warn</slimmain_log>
    <main_log>info</main_log>
    <output_log>info</output_log>
    <util_log>warn</util_log>
    <stream_log>warn</stream_log>
    <binding>?</binding>
    <device>
    <name>Kef LSX DLNA</name>
    <udn>uuid:**************</udn>
    <enabled>1</enabled>
    <mac>************</mac>
    <friendly_name>Kef LSX</friendly_name>
    </device>
    <device>
    <friendly_name>[TV]Samsung LED22</friendly_name>
    <mac>**********</mac>
    <enabled>0</enabled>
    <udn>uuid:***************</udn>
    <name>[TV]Samsung LED22</name>
    </device>
    </squeeze2upnp>

    Thanks Steve, That's very much appreciated. I'll have another try when I get a chance. Ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenwneill View Post
    Thanks Steve, That's very much appreciated. I'll have another try when I get a chance. Ken
    This is now working for me, able to stream straight form my NAS to KEF LSX using angrygoats Squeeze Ctrl app on my phone - thanks again Steve for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenwneill View Post
    This is now working for me, able to stream straight form my NAS to KEF LSX using angrygoats Squeeze Ctrl app on my phone - thanks again Steve for your help.
    Good news. Squeezebox and the Kefs make excellent partners set up that way - it couldn't be much more convenient. Shows how far ahead of its time Squeezebox was when it started!

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