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    Outside speakers wireless fed by lms and sync possible?

    I remodeled and did not wire speakers to my outside patio. My booms (2) work great unless I move them, the power supplies require a “jiggle” for 10 minutes to come alive and stay good unless moved or vibrated. I prefer put up some wireless outdoor speakers powered by an outlet and have an extra duet receiver I could feed them with, however, no home theater receiver for that area. I do have a quality ht receiver close by but no speaker wired to the patio. My perfect setup would be have some speakers outside to sync to the main room adjoining patio but no speaker wires are present and difficult to impossible to get to the right place. I have a modern receiver with bluetooth/airplay. I have synced bluetooth to Ipeng on a Ipad to a bluetooth speaker on the patio with success and the sync is almost right, the sound quality suffers.

    I ask if anyone has some thought on getting powered wireless speakers onto my lms to sync with my inside speakers? I am stumped, bluetooth is working but not quite perfect, curious if anyone has a solution. I wish I had sent speaker cables from inside to outside, problem solved but stupid me did not. Thinking this is good place for suggestions.

    Thanks for any responses peeps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lssartin View Post
    I remodeled and did not wire speakers to my outside patio. My booms (2) work great unless I move them, the power supplies require a “jiggle” for 10 minutes to come alive and stay good unless moved or vibrated. I prefer put up some wireless outdoor speakers powered by an outlet and have an extra duet receiver I could feed them with, however, no home theater receiver for that area. I do have a quality ht receiver close by but no speaker wired to the patio. My perfect setup would be have some speakers outside to sync to the main room adjoining patio but no speaker wires are present and difficult to impossible to get to the right place. I have a modern receiver with bluetooth/airplay. I have synced bluetooth to Ipeng on a Ipad to a bluetooth speaker on the patio with success and the sync is almost right, the sound quality suffers.

    I ask if anyone has some thought on getting powered wireless speakers onto my lms to sync with my inside speakers? I am stumped, bluetooth is working but not quite perfect, curious if anyone has a solution. I wish I had sent speaker cables from inside to outside, problem solved but stupid me did not. Thinking this is good place for suggestions.

    Thanks for any responses peeps.
    I have probably misunderstood your objective, especially the " I prefer put up some wireless outdoor speakers powered by an outlet and have an extra duet receiver I could feed them with, however, no home theater receiver for that area"

    But if this is just a wireless amplifier you need, too bad you did not ask before, you could have used one or two on my SqueezeAMPs https://forums.slimdevices.com/showt...ifier-receiver . Maybe Polyvection will build a built-in amplifier one day. Meanwhile, you can also buy some boards based on esp32.

    Of course a piZero with a Hat does the work with PcP.

    Now, you can also use an AirPlay enabled speakers and use my AirPlay bridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lssartin View Post
    My booms (2) work great unless I move them, the power supplies require a “jiggle” for 10 minutes to come alive and stay good unless moved or vibrated.
    That's usually an easy fix. The 'jiggle' problem is usually that the male center pin on the boom itself no longer mates nicely with the female center V-groove on the power adapter.

    While they're unplugged from the mains, pinch the outside of the V-shaped female center of the power plug a fraction with a tweezers.

    Maybe that will solve your entire dilemma if the Booms become portable again.

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    There are a few options available to you. Some already outlined.

    It all depends on how much you like to play and also whether you have decent wifi signal outside.

    If you've got decent wifi outside then quite simply a SB Radio with battery... still available to purchase second hand, with or without battery, batteries can also be purchased.
    This is how my sister gets her sounds out further into her garden, I'd already fitted a wifi access point to improve the reception at the rear of their house and so far it's providing a good enough signal that she can un-plug her kitchen SB Radio and take it out into the garden with her.
    She also has a SqueezeAmp that feeds wired speakers out to their patio seating area, the SqueezeAmp lives on top of her kitchen cabinets, the speakers are mounted on the external side of the wall with wires going straight through the external wall. I went down this route for her because it's very reliable, the bluetooth option from the SqueezeAMP can be a bit more fiddly and less reliable. Unfortunately SqueezeAMPs have sold out so not really an option unless you are prepared to build one yourself or maybe buy an A1S (see below)

    Bluetooth speaker options... this is what I use, but it's a tinkerer's world, I have a SqueezeESP32 based setup (AI Thinker A1S Audio developer board at £13) and a £20 (on offer) Anker Bluetooth speaker. The A1S has SqueezeESP32 loaded and is configured to connect to my Anker speaker. The A1S lives inside my workshop and I can get decent and pretty reliable bluetooth signal up to about 50 feet away.
    I could also use a SqueezeAMP for this, but for me the A1S is not quite as precious as one of my SqueezeAMPs and also has the advantage that it can be powered by a USB power socket. (It also lives, rather stylishly I think, in an old plastic oxo cube box re-purposed with a push to play/pause and volume control knob fitted), I mean c'mon who else has a player called SqueezeOXO
    I previously mentioned this being fiddly and unreliable... fiddly in that you have to power on the speaker, wait a minute and then power on the A1S and then leave for a minute or so before playing... for me if you try and do it all too quickly then it will invariably either not connect, connect but not play or connect and play but broken up play. Once in one of these states you have to turn off both devices and wait for the player to disappear from LMS, then power up again with patience
    On very rare occasions after listening for a few hours it just stops playing and you have to power off player and speaker and start again.

    I believe, but have not tried it, you can also use a Raspberry Pi and pCP Squeezelite setup to connect to and play through bluetooth speakers.

    And then you have Bluetooth transmitters/receivers, feed the wired audio output from your duet receiver into one of these and bluetooth connect the transmitter/receiver to a speaker.

    As for syncing, I remember testing syncing on my sister's SqueezeAMP before I fitted in place, but I would guess that was using wired speakers. Can't say for sure if I've ever tested how reliably you can sync players when bluetooth is involved, but if the bluetooth delay is reliable/fairly constant then you should be able to adjust the player audio delay to match in LMS

    Kev
    Last edited by KeBul; 2021-09-11 at 06:38.

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    In the garden, I use iPeng (with player turned on so that it emulates a squeezebox player) on my iPhone. Then I use a bluetooth portable speaker (JBL Charge 4) and stream from iphone to the speaker. I can synch the iPeng player with my system in the house if I choose. Sounds great.
    Home: Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeBul View Post

    As for syncing, I remember testing syncing on my sister's SqueezeAMP before I fitted in place, but I would guess that was using wired speakers. Can't say for sure if I've ever tested how reliably you can sync players when bluetooth is involved, but if the bluetooth delay is reliable/fairly constant then you should be able to adjust the player audio delay to match in LMS

    Kev
    I've just setup a SqueezeAMP bluetoothed to my headphones and was able to sync that with a SB Touch, needed 25ms of Player Audio Delay on the SqueezeAMP and seems to be holding out fine. Quite impressive really, the Touch is hardwired to the network, obviously the SqueezeAMP is wireless to the network and then wireless again to the headphones - I love my SqueezeBox stuff!!!

    I'll continue to test over the next few days see if the delay through bluetooth remains the same.

    Update: Hmmm, after a couple of hours turned off, I started playing again and sync was out - I needed another 20ms on the Player Audio Delay to pull it back into sync, as I often run at least three of my players (Radio, Touch and Boom) synchronised, I know I never normally have to adjust the Player Audio Delay, so this must be a SqueezeAMP/Bluetooth variable delay issue - perhaps I did see this in previous test and is why it was nagging as a possibility in the back of my mind.

    Kev
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    I use a Libratone Zipp portable speaker and Philippe’s AirPlay bridge. This has the advantage of being quite decent SQ wise and truly portable so isn’t left outside. It has an aux in and Bluetooth as well as Airplay so quite flexible. It does sync but I don’t generally use it in that way.
    You could use it via the Aux in conjunction with any SB device (Duet) or a Pi or you could use it with iPeng and Bluetooth.
    The main issue with the latter option is when you nip indoors for something with your iPhone (and iPeng) in your pocket and out of Bluetooth range.
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