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    Bad sorting in LMS 8.1.1 and artistas

    Hi:

    I have a collection of 1200 local discs

    When ordering by Artist, there are several (4 o 5) that are not correctly sorted

    I.e Bryan Adams appear in letter ‘A’
    David Bowie appears in letter ‘S’
    New order also appears in letter ‘S’

    Where can be the problem?

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    Look carefully at your tags for all Bryan Adams tracks. If there is one track with an ARTISTSORT tag that says Adams, Bryan then that is why. That single instance effects every Bryan Adams track.

    It will be similar for other artist issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d6jg View Post
    Look carefully at your tags for all Bryan Adams tracks. If there is one track with an ARTISTSORT tag that says Adams, Bryan then that is why. That single instance effects every Bryan Adams track.

    It will be similar for other artist issues.
    It could be, but New Order and David Bowie in 'S'. I will take a look.

    Thank you very much

    JP

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    Quote Originally Posted by jotap_66 View Post
    It could be, but New Order and David Bowie in 'S'. I will take a look.

    Thank you very much

    JP
    could be that one of those artist's tracks also includes a "featuring artist xxx" and somehow has a ARTISTSORT tag included. I'd bet a lot that this is caused by stray ARTISTSORT tags. (and as noted, if this is in even one track by this artist, it can affect how ALL albums/tracks by that artist showup in LMS.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by garym View Post
    could be that one of those artist's tracks also includes a "featuring artist xxx" and somehow has a ARTISTSORT tag included. I'd bet a lot that this is caused by stray ARTISTSORT tags. (and as noted, if this is in even one track by this artist, it can affect how ALL albums/tracks by that artist showup in LMS.)
    How can I see this?

    I have a MacOS X with Yate tagging software.

    I am going crazy

    Thank you very much

    JP

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    I use mp3tag for all my tagging. I'd take one of these odd artists (David Bowie), open all his files in YATE, and then somehow look at all the tag values aross these files. It is easy in mp3tag, as I'd just select all these folders, and in mp3tag, right click, select "extended tags" and I'd see all the tags and values, including easily seeing whether there is ANY artistsort tag at all in any of the files.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garym View Post
    I use mp3tag for all my tagging. I'd take one of these odd artists (David Bowie), open all his files in YATE, and then somehow look at all the tag values aross these files. It is easy in mp3tag, as I'd just select all these folders, and in mp3tag, right click, select "extended tags" and I'd see all the tags and values, including easily seeing whether there is ANY artistsort tag at all in any of the files.
    There is a version of mp3tag for Mac

    We all seem to agree it’s rogue ARTISTSORT tags. It can be difficult to find the culprit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d6jg View Post
    There is a version of mp3tag for Mac

    We all seem to agree it’s rogue ARTISTSORT tags. It can be difficult to find the culprit.

    Ok.it is very difficult to find it.

    Thank you very much

    JP

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    Quote Originally Posted by d6jg View Post
    There is a version of mp3tag for Mac

    We all seem to agree it’s rogue ARTISTSORT tags. It can be difficult to find the culprit.
    I got mp3tag and you are right. It is the ARTISTSORT tag. Is it this available in Yate?

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by jotap_66 View Post
    I got mp3tag and you are right. It is the ARTISTSORT tag. Is it this available in Yate?

    Regards

    JP
    I have no idea about Yate. Never used it.
    Glad you’ve found the culprit. After correction you will need a Clear & Rescan
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    Dining Room SB Radio
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    Guest Room Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes

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