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    APE Tags: Error message during initial scan of new music

    Hi all,

    for every initial scan of newly added mp3 files, I get the following error message for every file:

    Jul 26 10:33:51 lms squeezeboxserver[577]: [21-07-26 10:33:51.0053] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: APE: [Tag larger than maximum possible size] /mnt/DS01/Audio/xxx/xxx.mp3

    I generally save all tags in ID3v2 exclusively except for the following: since I use normalizing software (mp3gain), I do save the gain info and only the gain info in the same mp3 file as APEv2 tags.

    I have no hint that the mp3 or the tags are corrupt.

    My guess is that since APEv2 tags are available, but none that pertain to artist/song info, squeezeserver-scanner gets confused?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mi6 View Post
    Hi all,

    for every initial scan of newly added mp3 files, I get the following error message for every file:

    Jul 26 10:33:51 lms squeezeboxserver[577]: [21-07-26 10:33:51.0053] Audio::Scan::scan (64) Warning: APE: [Tag larger than maximum possible size] /mnt/DS01/Audio/xxx/xxx.mp3

    I generally save all tags in ID3v2 exclusively except for the following: since I use normalizing software (mp3gain), I do save the gain info and only the gain info in the same mp3 file as APEv2 tags.

    I have no hint that the mp3 or the tags are corrupt.

    My guess is that since APEv2 tags are available, but none that pertain to artist/song info, squeezeserver-scanner gets confused?
    I thought mp3gain made permanent changes to a file rather than just add a tag. Most here use Foobar 2000 or dBPoweramp for replaygain with no issues.

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    You're right, slartibartfast, but the fact that mp3gain changes the mp3 in addition to adding the APEv2 tags does not make a difference to the issue, since my question was about the APEv2 tags.

    Thanks for the hint about foobar 2000 and dbpoweramp.

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    Why not remove the ape tags?

    I remove all ape tags from acquired mp3 files using "mp3tag".

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    Hi kidstypike,

    my workflow to curate my archive (I'm updating it) is as follows:

    1) Curate mp3 in mp3tag: Save all relevant song/artist/... info as ID3v2.3
    2) De-normalize files (if normalized) with mp3gain
    3) Remove all tags other than ID3v2 with mp3tag
    4) Normalize mp3 with mp3gain with my settings (this creates a few APEv2 tags)

    I cannot remove the APEv2 tags created by mp3gain since then, I would lose recovery (de-normalizing) information if I want to de-normalize the mp3 since mp3gain only relies on APEv2 tags.
    Last edited by mi6; 2021-07-26 at 02:42.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mi6 View Post
    Hi kidstypike,

    my workflow is as follows:

    1) Curate mp3 in mp3tag: Save all relevant song/artist/... info as ID3v2.3
    2) De-normalize files (if normalized) with mp3gain if normalized
    3) Remove all tags other than ID3v2 with mp3tag
    4) Normalize mp3 with mp3gain with my settings (this creates a few APEv2 tags)

    I cannot remove the APEv2 tags created by mp3gain since then, I would lose recovery (de-normalizing) information if I want to de-normalize the mp3 since mp3gain only relies on APEv2 tags.
    Seems weird removing ape tags, then using software that adds them again.

    I use Foobar 2000 to add replaygain tags.

    But maybe by normalize you mean something different than replaygain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidstypike View Post
    Seems weird removing ape tags, then using software that adds them again.

    I use Foobar 2000 to add replaygain tags.

    But maybe by normalize you mean something different than replaygain?
    Removing APE tags means I do get rid of APE tags that are redundant with ID3v2 tags.

    Mp3gain adds APE tags for undoing normalization since it alters the mp3 gain (it alters the whole mp3 file). I use mp3gain for that reason because some players do not read replay gain info (which is what foobar 2000 adds as tags).
    Last edited by mi6; 2021-07-26 at 02:50.

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