Home of the Squeezebox™ & Transporter® network music players.
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13
  1. #1
    Senior Member Apesbrain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    East Coast, USA
    Posts
    1,687

    What is the use of COMPILATION tag with classical music?

    It's not uncommon for a classical album to feature compositions by multiple composers. Out of habit I've been tagging these COMPILATION=1, but now I'm wondering whether there is any sense to this. Is there any use case with LMS where a COMPILATION tag on classical music would serve a valid purpose? Thanks.

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    394
    Quote Originally Posted by Apesbrain View Post
    It's not uncommon for a classical album to feature compositions by multiple composers. Out of habit I've been tagging these COMPILATION=1, but now I'm wondering whether there is any sense to this. Is there any use case with LMS where a COMPILATION tag on classical music would serve a valid purpose? Thanks.
    I only use it on multiple disc sets with multiple composers and no obvious album artist.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    261
    I have a large collection but only 5% or so is classical. However, for me if a CD isn't "someones" like say mozarts, or Arthur fielders, it generally is a comp imo. So I guess I go by either a unified composer, or unified conductor / orchestra, and if not, it's a comp... there may be exceptions, but again, generally speaking, that's what I do.

    I guess the usage case is to separate comps from more traditional classical CDs in a listing.
    Using: Win10 64 + LMS 8 & Duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod
    http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.ph..._Artists_logic & http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Compilations

  4. #4
    Senior Member dolodobendan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Location
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Posts
    1,359
    Quote Originally Posted by Apesbrain View Post
    It's not uncommon for a classical album to feature compositions by multiple composers. Out of habit I've been tagging these COMPILATION=1, but now I'm wondering whether there is any sense to this. Is there any use case with LMS where a COMPILATION tag on classical music would serve a valid purpose? Thanks.
    I never thought about that. How would you tag a live recording with a piano concerto (e.g. Schumann) and a violin concerto (e.g. Beethoven)? I wouldn't call this a compilation despite it having two different composers, genres, and potentially soloists. My guess would be that there's more headache than an actual purpose in using the COMPILATION tag here. In my little bubble, a compilation would be a disc full of excerpts with different composers AND artists. But these discs are usually pretty bad, so...

    4/5 of my discs (probably more) are classical discs. I don't think using COMPILATION would make it easier to find a particular disc. In these cases, I use the artist, the composer, or the album title to find the disc. Or the work.
    QLMS 8.2@2.21 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.30.1 / QNAP 469L QTS 4.3.4

  5. #5
    Junior Member thniels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2020
    Location
    Esbjerg, Denmark
    Posts
    15
    I've always considered COMPILATION to be an album with tracks that were not originally meant to go together, e.g. tracks (or performances) that were previously released in some original form and now re-compiled in a new release. Of course, this is not a bulletproof definition .

    Oscar Peterson's "Take the A Train" has "Hymn to Freedom" from a different recording session (and sticks out like a sore thumb both in style and recording quality). Not really a compilation, is it? Ozzy Osbourne's "Tribute" was different performances, topped off with a studio outtake. Also hardly a compilation. Anne-Sophie Mutter just released an album with John Williams, playing movie scores. Even if the pieces are very different, it is still the same concert, the same composer and an original release and thus not a compilation in my book. Same Mutter released "Early Years", which are mostly previously released material remastered. That I'd consider a compilation.

    I don't consider an album that has tracks with different musicians a compilation, unless it honours the above. But then what about soundtracks. They look an awful lot like compilations on many parameters. Aargh!

    It's a bloody detective job figuring this out, sometimes. Particularly if you are a music-addict and buy more music than you have time to investigate properly .

    p.s. While I don't often search for compilations, I often use it as a cue to whether or not it's what I am looking for, once it pops up.
    Thomas Nielsen

    I breathe music...

  6. #6
    Senior Member Apesbrain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    East Coast, USA
    Posts
    1,687
    Thanks, everyone, for the feedback. On further thought, I have maybe one classical album for which COMPILATION=1 makes sense: the soundtrack LP to 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's a collection of tracks by different composers and different performers.

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Toronto area, Canada
    Posts
    1,407
    There are lots of classical compilation albums, although not necessarily ones you might actually want to listen to. But they do serve a purpose.

    For instance, there are a series of "Greatest Hits" albums, including for Mozart, Beethoven and many others. These are most often recordings of well-known works by various orchestras, choirs, string quartets, etc. The compilation tag would be appropriate for these. In the days when CDs or vinyl were the only way to get at recorded music, they represented inexpensive and reasonably listenable shortcuts to the works of the composer for classical newbies. Even now, using streaming services, it's hard to get a good take on the major significant works of a single composer unless you actually know what you are looking for.

    Name:  Pachelbel's greaest hit.jpg
Views: 169
Size:  91.2 KB

    My favorite in this category (actually the only one I ever listen to) is the amusingly titled "Pachelbel's Greatest Hit", which is a multitude of takes on the iconic Canon in D. It includes a standard version by Festival Strings Lucerne, one on traditional instruments by the Baroque Chamber Orchestra, a sung version by Cleo Laine, an electronic version by Tomita and the Plasma Symphony Orchestra, and a brass version (Canadian Brass). All are well-played and reasonably well recorded, but the principal attraction is the "Greatest Hit" (singular) title. Very clearly a compilation album.

    R.
    Last edited by RonM; 2021-02-20 at 20:49.
    LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3)
    Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers
    Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers
    Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space
    Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.)
    Radio (WiFi) - home office
    Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4)
    Touch x 1 - spare
    UE Radio x 1 - spare
    Boom x 1 - spare
    Controller x 1 - Spare
    Duet Receiver (backup)

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Cheshire, UK
    Posts
    5,791
    I don’t do classical really even though my taste is very eclectic but I do have some classical compilations. Here in UK there was a popular series of “Classical Experience” - there were four of five volumes. These are compilations.
    VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
    Living Room Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s
    Office Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s
    Dining Room SB Boom
    Kitchen UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
    Bedroom (Bedside) Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
    Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers
    Guest Room Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
    Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS

  9. #9
    Senior Member dolodobendan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Location
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Posts
    1,359
    Quote Originally Posted by RonM View Post

    Name:  Pachelbel's greaest hit.jpg
Views: 169
Size:  91.2 KB

    My favorite in this category (actually the only one I ever listen to) is the amusingly titled "Pachelbel's Greatest Hit", which is a multitude of takes on the iconic Canon in D. It includes a standard version by Festival Strings Lucerne, one on traditional instruments by the Baroque Chamber Orchestra, a sung version by Cleo Laine, an electronic version by Tomita and the Plasma Symphony Orchestra, and a brass version (Canadian Brass). All are well-played and reasonably well recorded, but the principal attraction is the "Greatest Hit" (singular) title. Very clearly a compilation album.

    R.
    Oh my, I actually have this one, too! But it doesn't fit my definition of a compilation: The disc features complete works (the same one several times, but still) of one composer (arrangements can be tricky, yes). Very clearly not a compilation album.
    QLMS 8.2@2.21 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.30.1 / QNAP 469L QTS 4.3.4

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Cheshire, UK
    Posts
    5,791
    Quote Originally Posted by dolodobendan View Post
    Oh my, I actually have this one, too! But it doesn't fit my definition of a compilation: The disc features complete works (the same one several times, but still) of one composer (arrangements can be tricky, yes). Very clearly not a compilation album.
    I’m with Ron. That’s as good an example of a compilation as you’ll find.
    VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
    Living Room Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s
    Office Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s
    Dining Room SB Boom
    Kitchen UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
    Bedroom (Bedside) Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
    Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers
    Guest Room Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
    Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •