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    FLAC streams - native decoding?

    Naim have recently released some FLAC webstreams:
    https://naim.freshdesk.com/support/s...115-naim-radio

    I have a few LMSes installed on various devices.
    One on an O2 Joggler and another on my Synology NAS.
    I've found that when I try to play the Naim FLAC streams through my Joggler (LAME-enabled), they play fine.
    But trying to play the FLACs through my Synology (without LAME) fails.

    I was under the impression that Squeezeboxes didn't need to transcode FLACs and could play them natively.
    Why the difference in result?

    My file type settings for FLAC are:
    AIFF - flac
    FLAC - native
    MP3 - disabled (Synology) / flac/lame (Joggler)
    PCM - flac

    The error I get when trying to play through LMS on my NAS is..
    "Problem: Cannot open file for:
    <Stream name>"
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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnielo View Post
    I was under the impression that Squeezeboxes didn't need to transcode FLACs and could play them natively.
    The issue is probably not the audio format but the transport format.

    Flac can be transported via a number of methods. BBC used DASH, A number of stations have ogg/flac.

    I'm in middle of system upgrade so can't do any checkson those streams.

    edit:

    Looks like ogg/flac which is suppported on recent LMS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnielo View Post
    Naim have recently released some FLAC webstreams:
    https://naim.freshdesk.com/support/s...115-naim-radio

    I have a few LMSes installed on various devices.
    One on an O2 Joggler and another on my Synology NAS.
    I've found that when I try to play the Naim FLAC streams through my Joggler (LAME-enabled), they play fine.
    But trying to play the FLACs through my Synology (without LAME) fails.

    I was under the impression that Squeezeboxes didn't need to transcode FLACs and could play them natively.
    Why the difference in result?

    My file type settings for FLAC are:
    AIFF - flac
    FLAC - native
    MP3 - disabled (Synology) / flac/lame (Joggler)
    PCM - flac

    The error I get when trying to play through LMS on my NAS is..
    "Problem: Cannot open file for:
    <Stream name>"
    Looks like it is OGG FLAC. What are your settings for that in file types?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpa View Post
    Looks like ogg/flac which is suppported on recent LMS.
    Joggler is on 7.9.0.
    Synology on 7.9.2.
    You'd think it'd be the Joggler that fails!

    Quote Originally Posted by slartibartfast View Post
    Looks like it is OGG FLAC. What are your settings for that in file types?
    Ogg FLAC:

    FLAC - flac/flac
    Ogg FLAC - Native

    I have the same (above) settings on both Joggler and Synology.
    RadioFeeds UK & Ireland.. an up-to-date radio directory for your Squeezebox/Transporter/UE Smart Radio.. available from the mysqueezebox.com App Gallery.
    Bonus: our RadioFeeds LMS plugin also lists AAC and the BBC's high-quality HLS streams on top of what's available in our MSB app.
    Now with over 1000 registered users, it's available for Logitech Media Server (and Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter and SlimServer).
    Click for more info: http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnielo View Post
    I have the same (above) settings on both Joggler and Synology.
    There were lot of changes & bug fixes this year. With old versions - it's hard to track issues which may have been fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpa View Post
    There were lot of changes & bug fixes this year. With old versions - it's hard to track issues which may have been fixed.
    I've given this thread a read:
    https://forums.slimdevices.com/showt...-7-9-2-nightly

    The types.conf file already has the line:
    ops opus audio/opus,audio/ogg;codecs=opus audio
    RadioFeeds UK & Ireland.. an up-to-date radio directory for your Squeezebox/Transporter/UE Smart Radio.. available from the mysqueezebox.com App Gallery.
    Bonus: our RadioFeeds LMS plugin also lists AAC and the BBC's high-quality HLS streams on top of what's available in our MSB app.
    Now with over 1000 registered users, it's available for Logitech Media Server (and Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter and SlimServer).
    Click for more info: http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnielo View Post
    Joggler is on 7.9.0.
    Synology on 7.9.2.
    Please give 8.0 another try. Both your systems are outdated.
    Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by mherger View Post
    Please give 8.0 another try. Both your systems are outdated.
    I've upgraded my NAS to 8.0.0 (pinkdot) and it still gives exactly the same error message:
    "Problem: Cannot open file for:
    <Stream name>"
    RadioFeeds UK & Ireland.. an up-to-date radio directory for your Squeezebox/Transporter/UE Smart Radio.. available from the mysqueezebox.com App Gallery.
    Bonus: our RadioFeeds LMS plugin also lists AAC and the BBC's high-quality HLS streams on top of what's available in our MSB app.
    Now with over 1000 registered users, it's available for Logitech Media Server (and Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter and SlimServer).
    Click for more info: http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnielo View Post
    I've upgraded my NAS to 8.0.0 (pinkdot) and it still gives exactly the same error message:
    "Problem: Cannot open file for:
    <Stream name>"
    Get a the log of trying to play with player.source set to INFO

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    From the log:
    Part 1

    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7792] Slim::Player::StreamingController:lay (2120) 00:04:20:07:ee:2e
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7798] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_eventAction (272) 00:04:20:07:ee:2e: Play in STOPPED-IDLE -> Slim::Player::StreamingController::_StopGetNext
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7803] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_eventAction (283) params: seekdata => undef index => 0
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7815] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stop (610) Song queue is now 0
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7820] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingStat e (2377) new playing state STOPPED
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7826] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingSt ate (2386) new streaming state IDLE
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7839] Slim::Player::Song::new (108) index 0 -> http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8340/jazz-flac.flac
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7847] Slim::Player::Song::new (151) live=5
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7851] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setStreamingSt ate (2386) new streaming state TRACKWAIT
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7856] Slim::Player::Song:ESTROY (161) DESTROY(Slim::Player::Song=ARRAY(0x5e90d18)) live=4: index=0, url=http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8340/jazz-flac.flac
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7916] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_playersMessage (796) Getting stream info...: http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8340/jazz-flac.flac
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7959] Slim::Player::Song::getNextSong (230) http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8340/jazz-flac.flac
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.7964] Slim::Player::Song::getNextSong (252) scanning URL http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8340/jazz-flac.flac
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.8008] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_eventAction (302) 00:04:20:07:ee:2e: Play - new state STOPPED-TRACKWAIT
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.8113] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_eventAction (272) 00:04:20:07:ee:2e: StatusHeartbeat in STOPPED-TRACKWAIT -> Slim::Player::StreamingController::_NoOp
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.8122] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_eventAction (272) 00:04:20:07:ee:2e: StatusHeartbeat in STOPPED-TRACKWAIT -> Slim::Player::StreamingController::_NoOp
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.8304] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::checkBin (252) Checking formats for: ogf-flc-*-*
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.8309] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (219) Checking to see if ogf-flc-*-* is enabled
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.8314] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (227) There are 1 disabled formats...
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.8319] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (233) Testing spt-flc-*-* vs ogf-flc-*-*
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.8324] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::checkBin (260) enabled
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.8328] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::checkBin (262) Found command: [flac] --ogg -dcs -- $FILE$ | [flac] -cs --ignore-chunk-sizes --totally-silent --compression-level-0 -
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.8333] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::getConvertCommand 2 (389) Rejecting [flac] --ogg -dcs -- $FILE$ | [flac] -cs --ignore-chunk-sizes --totally-silent --compression-level-0 - because no available stream mode supported: R
    [20-11-21 14:32:06.8338] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::getConvertCommand 2 (467) Error: Didn't find any command matches for type: ogf
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4175] Slim::Player::Song::getNextSong (230) http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8340/jazz-flac.flac
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4181] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_nextTrackReady (744) 00:04:20:07:ee:2e: nextTrack will be index 0
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4186] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_eventAction (272) 00:04:20:07:ee:2e: NextTrackReady in STOPPED-TRACKWAIT -> Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4192] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1210) Song queue is now 0
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4196] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_Stream (1213) 00:04:20:07:ee:2e: preparing to stream song index 0
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4201] Slim::Player::Song:pen (367) http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8340/jazz-flac.flac
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4208] Slim::Player::Song:pen (391) seek=false time=0 canSeek=0SEEK_ERROR_TYPE_NOT_SUPPORTEDogf
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4220] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::checkBin (252) Checking formats for: ogf-flc-*-*
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4225] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (219) Checking to see if ogf-flc-*-* is enabled
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4230] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (227) There are 1 disabled formats...
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4234] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::enabledFormat (233) Testing spt-flc-*-* vs ogf-flc-*-*
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4238] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::checkBin (260) enabled
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4243] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::checkBin (262) Found command: [flac] --ogg -dcs -- $FILE$ | [flac] -cs --ignore-chunk-sizes --totally-silent --compression-level-0 -
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4249] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::getConvertCommand 2 (470) Matched: ogf->flc via: [flac] --ogg -dcs -- $FILE$ | [flac] -cs --ignore-chunk-sizes --totally-silent --compression-level-0 -
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4253] Slim::Player::Song:pen (412) Transcoder: streamMode=I, streamformat=flc
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.4258] Slim::Player::Song:pen (468) Opening stream (no direct streaming) using Slim::Player::Protocols::HTTP [http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8340/jazz-flac.flac]
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.5898] Slim::Player::Song:pen (489) URL is a song (audio): http://mscp3.live-streams.nl:8340/jazz-flac.flac, type=ogg
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.5909] Slim::Player::TranscodingHelper::tokenizeConvertCo mmand2 (641) Using command for conversion: "/volume1/@appstore/SqueezeCenter/Bin/flac" --ogg -dcs -- - | "/volume1/@appstore/SqueezeCenter/Bin/flac" -cs --ignore-chunk-sizes --totally-silent --compression-level-0 -
    [20-11-21 14:32:07.5915] Slim::Player::Song:pen (565) Tokenized command: "/volume1/@appstore/SqueezeCenter/Bin/flac" --ogg -dcs -- - | "/volume1/@appstore/SqueezeCenter/Bin/flac" -cs --ignore-chunk-sizes --totally-silent --compression-level-0 -
    RadioFeeds UK & Ireland.. an up-to-date radio directory for your Squeezebox/Transporter/UE Smart Radio.. available from the mysqueezebox.com App Gallery.
    Bonus: our RadioFeeds LMS plugin also lists AAC and the BBC's high-quality HLS streams on top of what's available in our MSB app.
    Now with over 1000 registered users, it's available for Logitech Media Server (and Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter and SlimServer).
    Click for more info: http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze

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