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    is SqueezeAMP geeky?

    I think what I wanted to say is that SqueezeAMP needs some more time
    (and work) to be considered a product, and not a tinkerer's project.

    With time I can't help. But here's some ideas about work:

    Google first gives me a link to https://github.com/philippe44/SqueezeAMP
    - which starts with Github's file/folder listing. First paragraph of the
    README is talking about branches. Followed by a feature list with more
    acronyms and numbers than I can digest in a day.

    Only a geek would consider this not geeky.

    I think what you'll need is some "marketing" material which doesn't put
    the technology first, but shows some amazing solutions. Which puts
    prominently what a user can expect out of the box. Show the _basic_
    features only, hide the geeky stuff behind a link for the geeks. No
    mention of "general purpose I/O (SPI, I2C, I2S, GPIO ...)" and all
    available connectors on page 1. A simple single page site with some nice
    pictures.

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    is SqueezeAMP geeky?

    Oh, and get an audiophile to do a youtube video :-)

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    Is it geeky?

    I think the challenge is this: an original Squeezebox is a closed-box product. It's not daunting, but the flip-side is it has finite capabilities. An RPi, even with PiCore, is an open-box product. You need to make choices about what DAC to employ, how to interconnect with other components, whether to deploy LMS and squeezelite in same or separate boxes, etc.

    SqueezeAmp could rightly be "marketed" as a closed-box product. (Inverted commas to acknowledge that you are not doing this as a commercial venture, but still want to spread awareness). I agree it is comparable with an original Squeezebox. Perhaps the only difference is that the rate of change of software is much higher than would be expected with typical closed-box products.

    The complication is that the flexibility around the core SqueezeAmp and its software just invites tinkerers (guilty) to implement a whole host of variations on the core product. We hang around here in this community, confusing non-tinkerers. Also there are less than clear boundaries in the documentation between the different use cases:
    - SqueezeAmp as a simple closed-box Squeezebox equivalent
    - Hardware tinkerers, adding extras to SqueezeAmp like displays and rotary encoders
    - Hardware tinkerers building with different Esp32 boards from SqueezeAmp
    - Software tinkerers who want to rebuild the firmware.

    In short, I agree that SqueezeAmp in its own right is non-geek friendly, but it's understandable that non-geeks perceive it as geeky while the use cases and user communities are mingled.

    Rob
    Last edited by robjordan; 2020-09-28 at 05:59.

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    I'd vote for "not geeky (unless the listener chooses to make it so)".
    As a simple player (with built-in amp) the most difficult part of it is assembling the box.

    The nature of the WiFi set-up does mean that a quick start guide has to be looked at.
    I wonder if it could emulate a Squeezebox Receiver enough so that it could be setup with a Squeezebox Controller (niche).
    Paul Webster
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    Author of "Now Playing" plugins covering Radio France (FIP etc), KCRW, Supla Finland, ABC Australia, CBC/Radio-Canada and RTE Ireland

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    All the squeezebox environment is a little « geeky », isn’t it ? It require a server so it is a nerd thing.
    For example in ten years I never understood why I have to log to squeezebox.com, what is the difference between an app and a plugin, etc...

    My opinion is that SqueezeliteESP32 deserve a better documentation, with examples depending the hardware.
    Find the good settings is a little tricky at the beginning.

    Almost all the needed information are between the readme.md on github and on the forum.
    But find information on a forum is very time consuming (and searching on this forum is in the old school way).

    Also the UI could assist the user in his configuration (configuring iic is tricky).

    In despite of all these, SqueezeliteESP32 is one of the best thing I’ve seen in the ESP world.
    Coupled with Home Assistant it is an awesome TTS player, alarm, quality audio player, spotify connect with spotty, airplay, Bluetooth.
    A lot of killer features for a device of this price !

    Thanks guys for all the work on this, always the same names around Squeezebox innovations, we are thankful for all this work, the anwers to the community and this passion that you communicate.

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    Remember, though, this is about SqueezeAMP where the base hardware choices have already been made and it comes pre-flashed and ready to go.
    Paul Webster
    http://dabdig.blogspot.com
    Author of "Now Playing" plugins covering Radio France (FIP etc), KCRW, Supla Finland, ABC Australia, CBC/Radio-Canada and RTE Ireland

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    is SqueezeAMP geeky?

    > what is the difference between an app and a plugin,

    One term was defined by the devs, the other by marketing (and yes,
    Apple's App Store was the latest shit at the time...).

    But we digress.

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    hardware availability

    So i have various raspberrys and logitech products at home, but what would put me off here is the hardware availability.
    The raspberry is standard, the programs can be easily uploaded, if one is broken, i buy a new one or flash the sd card again.
    With the squeezeamp, I can't tell where I can get alternative spare parts.
    With the Raspberry I also have various software that I can install.
    If someone doesn't feel like it anymore, I have various alternatives.

    I have my music on a sd card and one of my raspberrys is the server and had access to the music folders on the sd card.
    Is there a usb connection possibility on the squeezeamp?
    Last edited by jonono; 2020-09-29 at 00:02.
    Raspberry 3 and 4, 2*Touch, 4*Radio, Ipeng, Squeezecontrol aso.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonono View Post
    So i have various raspberrys and logitech products at home, but what would put me off here is the hardware availability.
    The raspberry is standard, the programs can be easily uploaded, if one is broken, i buy a new one or flash the sd card again.
    With the squeezeamp, I can't tell where I can get alternative spare parts.
    With the Raspberry I also have various software that I can install.
    If someone doesn't feel like it anymore, I have various alternatives.

    I have my music on a sd card and one of my raspberrys is the server and had access to the music folders on the sd card.
    Is there a usb connection possibility on the squeezeamp?
    It's a bit of a different problem. SqueezeAMP is not aiming at replacing a Pi. A Pi is much more versatile and powerful, it's a full Linux system. SqueezeAMP is aiming at being a battery-capable, low-power, player with built-in amplifier. It's not trying to be a server, it's just a player.

    My initial question was: "compared to a Pi used as player, the perception that is that's is more "geeky" ... what do you think?"
    Last edited by philippe_44; 2020-10-04 at 21:29.
    LMS 7.9 on Pi 3B+ & Odroid-C2 - SqueezeAMP!, 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, Riva 1 & 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by mherger View Post
    I think what I wanted to say is that SqueezeAMP needs some more time
    (and work) to be considered a product, and not a tinkerer's project.

    With time I can't help. But here's some ideas about work:

    Google first gives me a link to https://github.com/philippe44/SqueezeAMP
    - which starts with Github's file/folder listing. First paragraph of the
    README is talking about branches. Followed by a feature list with more
    acronyms and numbers than I can digest in a day.

    Only a geek would consider this not geeky.

    I think what you'll need is some "marketing" material which doesn't put
    the technology first, but shows some amazing solutions. Which puts
    prominently what a user can expect out of the box. Show the _basic_
    features only, hide the geeky stuff behind a link for the geeks. No
    mention of "general purpose I/O (SPI, I2C, I2S, GPIO ...)" and all
    available connectors on page 1. A simple single page site with some nice
    pictures.

    --

    Michael
    Agreed, we need to work on a better Wiki that does not start with all the bells and whistles first
    LMS 7.9 on Pi 3B+ & Odroid-C2 - SqueezeAMP!, 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, Riva 1 & 3

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