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    Examples of Raspberry dac's that would be comparable to a Touch analog out

    Hi all,
    A friend gave me a raspberry 3+ and and I would like to turn it into a "SQB player". Own several Touch and know what it's capable of. So as in title, any ideas of in what price level one needs to be for a comparable SQ to a Touch analog out? I'm not really interested in USB Dac,so mainly HAT suggestions please. I looked at the HiFiberry Dac+ Pro XLR mainly for the XLR option which suits what I've in mind very well. But please, RCA suggestions would also be OK. Anyone compared a Touch to a HiFberry Dac?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggod View Post
    Hi all,
    A friend gave me a raspberry 3+ and and I would like to turn it into a "SQB player". Own several Touch and know what it's capable of. So as in title, any ideas of in what price level one needs to be for a comparable SQ to a Touch analog out? I'm not really interested in USB Dac,so mainly HAT suggestions please. I looked at the HiFiberry Dac+ Pro XLR mainly for the XLR option which suits what I've in mind very well. But please, RCA suggestions would also be OK. Anyone compared a Touch to a HiFberry Dac?
    I've never owned a touch, However I have a HiFiBerry DAC+ Pro (not XLR) and that sounds really good to me.
    I also have not long ago bought a IQaudio PiDAC PRO with XLR's Have not used it balanced yet but on phono I think this sounds slightly better than the DAC+ Pro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff07971 View Post
    I've never owned a touch, However I have a HiFiBerry DAC+ Pro (not XLR) and that sounds really good to me.
    I also have not long ago bought a IQaudio PiDAC PRO with XLR's Have not used it balanced yet but on phono I think this sounds slightly better than the DAC+ Pro

    Jeff
    Ok, cheers for input. I see you've some SQB classics V3. How do you feel they compare with your Rpi Dac's then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggod View Post
    Ok, cheers for input. I see you've some SQB classics V3. How do you feel they compare with your Rpi Dac's then?
    Personally (and subjectively) I like the IQaudio Pi-DAC Pro significantly more and the HiFiBerry DAC+ Pro moderately better than the SB3.

    Having said that my SB3's are quite old now and the caps are a known problem

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    Here previous owner of a SB Touch. Couple of years ago made the jump to Raspi2 (running both LMS server and player) + IQAudio Pi DAC+ (unbalanced RCA).
    Could not tell the difference between both DACs.
    Take into account I'm +50 and much as I enjoy my amp (Nad C352) + loudspeakers (AE Evo1) for their "musicality", I know "detail" is not the best.

    I'll probably get rid of the Pi2 + IQaudio now because I need a Raspi4 and don't dare to put a HAT on that. Will be using a Khadas Tone Board (USB DAC instead).

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    You can find some measurements of DAC boards at Audio Science Review:

    https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...pment_Reviews/

    You want to select "DAC (Bareboard)" as the hardware type.

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    Wolfson / Cirrus Logic card

    The original Wolfson card that was made for the early raspberry Pi's sounds really good, I built a touch screen player using one. The second generation Cirrus cards have sold out now, but the first gen Wolfson card can be made to work with a current Pi. Farnell still have over 500 in stock and for ú13 + vat you get 113 dB dynamic range, the ability to drive sensible headphones + SPDIF I/O and analog I/O + a 2W Class D amp if you need it.

    It takes a bit more work, but they sound really good for the money:

    https://alw-audio.co.uk/?p=605

    Beware that there's a noise gate on the card that's enabled by default, that needs to be disabled to get the benefit of high resolution source material:

    https://alw-audio.co.uk/?p=669

    A simple mod dramatically reduces PSU sensitivity too:

    https://alw-audio.co.uk/?p=657

    Andy.

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    Thanks for all input! Anyone cares for / tested Audiophonics own branded DAC's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALW View Post
    The original Wolfson card that was made for the early raspberry Pi's sounds really good, I built a touch screen player using one. The second generation Cirrus cards have sold out now, but the first gen Wolfson card can be made to work with a current Pi. Farnell still have over 500 in stock and for ú13 + vat you get 113 dB dynamic range, the ability to drive sensible headphones + SPDIF I/O and analog I/O + a 2W Class D amp if you need it.

    It takes a bit more work, but they sound really good for the money:

    https://alw-audio.co.uk/?p=605

    Beware that there's a noise gate on the card that's enabled by default, that needs to be disabled to get the benefit of high resolution source material:

    https://alw-audio.co.uk/?p=669

    A simple mod dramatically reduces PSU sensitivity too:

    https://alw-audio.co.uk/?p=657

    Andy.
    Hmm, they seem to have cramped quite a lot of "glitz" into such a cheap card ...when you say " sound really good for the money". Sure I could believe that, but most important; how would it compare with the mentioned Touch or a SB V3. (for your info, IMO is a Touch quite a lot better than a SB V3) . And for me "a bit more work" seems like a lot? I'm more of a "plug and play" guy ... ;-) :-)

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    I did a blind listening test with a RPI2+Hifiberry DAC+ and my SB Touch a few years ago and could't hear the difference.
    IMHO all RPI add-on boards from established brands are fine. Let your choice therefore depend on compatibility and support.
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