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    TuneIn and removal of non-UK stations for UK listeners

    I mentioned the UK court case a few months ago ... and now the expected consequence ... TuneIn hiding non-UK stations from UK listeners.

    https://radiotoday.co.uk/2020/09/int...ted-on-tunein/

    There are work-arounds - for example using the radio.net plugin from bpa

    However, some of the functionality in LMS/mysqueezebox relies on data from TuneIn so perhaps the time is coming to look at making LMS able to use an alternative station directory service for those functions.
    If it only affects UK listeners then I can easily understand that this would not be a priority. If Sony and others decide to go through the legal system in other countries and TuneIn do not find a technical solution Gp then this may well become more important.

    Edit: corrected title
    Last edited by Paul Webster; 2020-09-15 at 00:46.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Webster View Post
    I mentioned the UK court case a few months ago ... and now the expected consequence ... TuneIn hiding non-UK stations from UK listeners.

    https://radiotoday.co.uk/2020/09/int...ted-on-tunein/

    There are work-arounds - for example using the radio.net plugin from bpa

    However, some of the functionality in LMS/mysqueezebox relies on data from TuneIn so perhaps the time is coming to look at making LMS able to use an alternative station directory service for those functions.
    If it only affects UK listeners then I can easily understand that this would not be a priority. If Sony and others decide to go through the legal system in other countries and TuneIn do not find a technical solution Gp then this may well become more important.

    Edit: corrected title
    This is indeed an issue - is there an alternative Directory Service that has similar coverage and which won't be affected by any future court ruling? What do you suggest Paul?
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    Quote Originally Posted by d6jg View Post
    This is indeed an issue - is there an alternative Directory Service that has similar coverage and which won't be affected by any future court ruling? What do you suggest Paul?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpd73 View Post
    That looks interesting but (judging by the website) also looks a bit outdated. The good thing about TuneIn is that you rarely find a station that doesn't actually exist. I think you might do so here.
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    There would be a few criteria ...
    - price (I suspect TuneIn is free to SlimDevices/Logitech) but other such as Reciva (old name), Tunein (the other one) and a small number of others ... are not free for official integration)

    - coverage

    - extra functionality (logos, Now Playing cover art, podcasts)

    - available API (much better than parson HTML that is subject to change at the whim of a web developer)

    - available code

    All of this leads me to think that the bpa implementation of radio.net (claims 30k stations) is a great starting point. I don't think it addresses all of the points above but it is a good start and others can be worked around to some degree via other plugins

    Plus ... from the radio.net FAQ
    "Some years ago, an integration for Logitech Squeezebox existed which, unfortunately, cannot be supported anymore."
    which implies to me that they would not be against such support coming back (Sonos has official integration).
    Last edited by Paul Webster; 2020-09-15 at 01:40.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d6jg View Post
    That looks interesting but (judging by the website) also looks a bit outdated. The good thing about TuneIn is that you rarely find a station that doesn't actually exist. I think you might do so here.
    Before doing Radio.net plugin , I looked at Community radio browser https://www.radio-browser.info/gui/#!/ and did some random searches and was not impressed by the results. IIRC Looked for HLS station - huge number of chinese entries most didn't work and from other searches many other entries which were badly/incorrectly categorised. I got the feeling (maybe incorrectly) quality control was lacking.

    As a secondary source, don't forget iHeart and it maybe more a broadcaster than a directory - while mainly US & I don't use it much but it covers N. America (US, CA, MX) and AU/NZ.
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    Ihave found this site a useful link to some streaming sources

    https://www.hiresaudio.online/

    ronnie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Webster View Post
    I mentioned the UK court case a few months ago ... and now the expected consequence ... TuneIn hiding non-UK stations from UK listeners.

    https://radiotoday.co.uk/2020/09/int...ted-on-tunein/

    There are work-arounds - for example using the radio.net plugin from bpa
    Hi Paul - I use your Radio France plug-in, and wondered if you could tell me the simplest way to get thise stations back. Would the radio.net plugin sort it? If your plugin still worked that would be a bonus, but I can cope if it doesn’t! Thanks!
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    If you are using the latest version of my Radio France plugin you should see "Radio France" listed under Radio or Apps.
    From there you can browse the stations and play them and add to Favourites. That does not use TuneIn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Webster View Post
    If you are using the latest version of my Radio France plugin you should see "Radio France" listed under Radio or Apps.
    From there you can browse the stations and play them and add to Favourites. That does not use TuneIn.
    Thanks - I don’t at the moment, but haven’t updated lately. Will check tomorrow.
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