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    We seem to have deviated from the main thread somewhat!

    I found myself wondering if the OP's friends, who don't seem to have a HiFi if I remember correctly, may not have a music collection in any formats. In which case a multiroom system aimed at streaming from Spotify or similar and internet radio might be the easiest setup for them to use. And then there may be less complex solutions than LMS. Maybe Volumio or Sonos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Bob View Post
    We seem to have deviated from the main thread somewhat!
    True, but some of the best conversations I've ever had have consisted mainly of digressions.

    I found myself wondering if the OP's friends, who don't seem to have a HiFi if I remember correctly, may not have a music collection in any formats. In which case a multiroom system aimed at streaming from Spotify or similar and internet radio might be the easiest setup for them to use. And then there may be less complex solutions than LMS. Maybe Volumio or Sonos?
    I think their existing music collection is almost entirely vinyl, probably with a few CDs and cassettes. They had a nice component system, circa 1980 or so, which was still working until a few years ago. Having been out of the audio marketplace for many years, they asked for some advice on acquiring a new system, when they're ready to make that investment. By now, they've probably realized that asking me for advice was a foolish mistake.

    Right now, my focus is on getting them some very minimal gear so they can get experience with online music. I hope that by the time they've dealt with some pressing house maintenance issues and feel okay about spending some money on toys, they will have more knowledge about how things work these days. And they will be better equipped to make choices that seem bewildering right now.

    My guess is that they will be able to find almost all the music they want on Spotify or some other service, and Sonos may well be a good choice for them. That remains to be seen. I know absolutely nothing about Volumio; what should I know?

    PS I think there is a Chris and Cosey LP which finishes with an exhortation to turn over and play the other side. There's also the annoyance of lock grooves on some LPs. One LP in my collection even has a lock groove in the middle of one side, necessitating getting up and manually advancing the stylus!
    I don't think I ever encountered an LP intended for consumer use that had lock grooves. There were good reasons for them in broadcast settings, especially before the days of tape cartridges. Which is also well before my time, but I've seen some of the old transcription discs of national commercials or Public Service Announcements. It would have been a great relief to know that it wouldn't keep going to the next track, if the operator was slow taking it off the air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbH View Post
    Speaking of different ways of packaging the same thing, and getting back to my original question: I am marginally aware of other music systems based on Raspberry Pi, like Max2Play, but have never felt a need to investigate anything other than piCorePlayer. Should I be looking at some of these alternatives when the time comes to set up a permanent system for my friends? I see that some include LMS, but have never understood what advantages they might offer.
    A few years ago I briefly experimented with Max2Play and concluded that it was trying to cover too many bases and as a result required a fair bit of configuration effort. So for the time being I stuck with Vortexbox running on an old Acer Revo.

    When I tried piCorePlayer on a RPi3 a couple of years back it was a breeze to set up and the Vortexbox got retired. PCP seems specifically aimed at the Squeezebox ecosystem and does it very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbH View Post
    Right now, my focus is on getting them some very minimal gear so they can get experience with online music. I hope that by the time they've dealt with some pressing house maintenance issues and feel okay about spending some money on toys, they will have more knowledge about how things work these days. And they will be better equipped to make choices that seem bewildering right now.
    Squeezebox/LMS is not for non-techies, I know, I tried to set up a system for my sister (I even bought her a Squeezebox Touch), no go, she and her partner couldn't get their heads round it. They finished up with a Bose speaker in every room and a Spotify account, controlled from iPads/phones.

    To demonstrate what the online music experience is like, I would suggest an Amazon Echo Dot, and a Spotify account. They'll be amazed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidstypike View Post
    Squeezebox/LMS is not for non-techies, I know, I tried to set up a system for my sister (I even bought her a Squeezebox Touch), no go, she and her partner couldn't get their heads round it. They finished up with a Bose speaker in every room and a Spotify account, controlled from iPads/phones.

    To demonstrate what the online music experience is like, I would suggest an Amazon Echo Dot, and a Spotify account. They'll be amazed!

    P.S. I got the Touch back.
    The problem with the echo dots is the poor audio quality. The Google minis have better sound, but are nowhere as flexible with services/skills.

    The screen versions are probably worth the extra - either the Show 5 or the Google Nest Hub. The Googles have chromecast as a big plus (and can easily be integrated into LMS if required)..
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    Quote Originally Posted by castalla View Post
    The problem with the echo dots is the poor audio quality. The Google minis have better sound, but are nowhere as flexible with services/skills.

    The screen versions are probably worth the extra - either the Show 5 or the Google Nest Hub. The Googles have chromecast as a big plus (and can easily be integrated into LMS if required)..
    Yes, I have an Echo Dot here in a drawer, used it 3 times just for the novelty. But it can be attached to an existing amp/speaker setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidstypike View Post
    Yes, I have an Echo Dot here in a drawer, used it 3 times just for the novelty. But it can be attached to an existing amp/speaker setup.
    See earlier for ruling out of smart speakers.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobbH View Post
    Thanks for all responses so far.

    Paul, what you are describing is very close to what I have in mind, but my friends don't yet have enough experience with current music technology to know what their preferences are. They are certain they don't want always-listening smart speakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Webster View Post
    See earlier for ruling out of smart speakers.
    They can turn the microphone off, there's a button conveniently placed on top of the unit to do this.

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    I have a full LMS ecosystem - actually more then one - with SB Touch, SB3, Boom, Radio, Jogglers, Libratone Zipp (AirPlay bridge) and about half a dozen Pi’s but we do also have a couple of Echo Dots. The dots are used to keep a shopping list running and to switch on/off lights - one is linked to some ceiling mounted speakers in my family bathroom which my wife uses to play a bit of Radio but the sound is not up to my standards. I use the en-suite which has (much better quality) wired speakers on zone 2 from my bedroom AVR with an SB Touch. I’ve tried the LMS Mediaskill but it’s not quite there and I prefer controlling from a phone but for basic stuff I suppose the Dots are worth it as a start point.
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