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  • markelhombre
    Member
    • Feb 2015
    • 46

    Sound distorts at 100%

    > I'm running LMS 7.9.3 on my QNAP nas.
    > Whenever i'm turning the volume up to about 90 or 100%, the music starts
    > to distort.


    What player are you using?

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  • markelhombre
    Member
    • Feb 2015
    • 46

    #2
    Sound distorts at 100%

    Hello people,

    I'm running LMS 7.9.3 on my QNAP nas.
    Whenever i'm turning the volume up to about 90 or 100%, the music starts to distort.
    It is easy to overcome by turning up my amplifiyer, but I find it a strange bug nevertheless!

    Is anybody familiar with this kind of behaviour of LMS?

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    • markelhombre
      Member
      • Feb 2015
      • 46

      #3
      I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but i'm using a squeezebox Duet to get the music to my amplifier. My Qnap is running Qlogitechmediaserver 2.04.00.

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      • slartibartfast
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 13863

        #4
        Originally posted by markelhombre
        I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but i'm using a squeezebox Duet to get the music to my amplifier. My Qnap is running Qlogitechmediaserver 2.04.00.
        What is your amplifier?

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        • markelhombre
          Member
          • Feb 2015
          • 46

          #5
          Sorry for the late reply!

          I'm using a Harman Kardon hk3390. But its nowhere near it's maximum volume. The problem only appears when i'm using my squeezebox.

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          • Ron F.
            Senior Member
            • May 2006
            • 746

            #6
            Originally posted by markelhombre
            Sorry for the late reply!

            I'm using a Harman Kardon hk3390. But its nowhere near it's maximum volume. The problem only appears when i'm using my squeezebox.
            Do you find this happens with all tracks that you play at 100%, or possibly just some? I think I have experienced something similar, in that I perceive when playing tracks that were mastered badly in order to sound "loud," and contain a lot of clipping, that the distortion seems worse when setting my Squeezebox volume to 100%. I am using a separate DAC, but possibly the result is the same. I found that the effect is mitigated by setting the volume to 88%.
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            • Jeff07971
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 1900

              #7
              Originally posted by markelhombre
              Sorry for the late reply!

              I'm using a Harman Kardon hk3390. But its nowhere near it's maximum volume. The problem only appears when i'm using my squeezebox.
              Input sensitivity & impedance 200mV/47k Ohms
              That quite sensitive,

              Its possible you're saturating the input of that amplifier Peak O/P (@100%) of a Duet is 2V (2000mV) (I think)

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              • Man in a van
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 6902

                #8
                Originally posted by Jeff07971
                That quite sensitive,

                Its possible you're saturating the input of that amplifier Peak O/P (@100%) of a Duet is 2V (2000mV) (I think)

                Jeff

                I agree with Jeff's opinion, this might help explain it to the OP

                Sensitivity is a measure of the magnitude of input signal need for the amplifier to produce full output, at maximum volume. This tells us what signal sources the amplifier can handle


                A pair of in line attenuators is called for here I think (assuming the OP is not plugging into the Phono input

                ronnie

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                • slartibartfast
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 13863

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Man in a van
                  I agree with Jeff's opinion, this might help explain it to the OP

                  Sensitivity is a measure of the magnitude of input signal need for the amplifier to produce full output, at maximum volume. This tells us what signal sources the amplifier can handle


                  A pair of in line attenuators is called for here I think (assuming the OP is not plugging into the Phono input

                  ronnie
                  I thought the same then I checked the sensitivity of my Audiolab 8000a and it quotes 100mV so not entirely sure what that means. My amp has the same sensitivity for all line level inputs.

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                  • Stratmangler
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 615

                    #10
                    Originally posted by markelhombre
                    Hello people,

                    I'm running LMS 7.9.3 on my QNAP nas.
                    Whenever i'm turning the volume up to about 90 or 100%, the music starts to distort.
                    It is easy to overcome by turning up my amplifiyer, but I find it a strange bug nevertheless!

                    Is anybody familiar with this kind of behaviour of LMS?
                    What happens when you set output to 100% fixed in LMS?
                    It's not the same as ramping the volume up and down with the remote control.
                    Chris :)

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                    • slartibartfast
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 13863

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Stratmangler
                      What happens when you set output to 100% fixed in LMS?
                      It's not the same as ramping the volume up and down with the remote control.
                      Are you saying 100% variable volume is not the same as 100% fixed volume? Why would that be?

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                      • Stratmangler
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 615

                        #12
                        Originally posted by slartibartfast
                        Are you saying 100% variable volume is not the same as 100% fixed volume? Why would that be?

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                        The variable hits an attenuation ladder.
                        Fixed bypasses it.
                        Chris :)

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                        • Stratmangler
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                          • Oct 2008
                          • 615

                          #13
                          Originally posted by slartibartfast
                          I thought the same then I checked the sensitivity of my Audiolab 8000a and it quotes 100mV so not entirely sure what that means. My amp has the same sensitivity for all line level inputs.

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                          It requires a signal of 100mV before it starts amplifying it.
                          The Denon is less sensitive than the Audiolab, but both should be capable of handling full voltage output from a Squeezebox Receiver, as both amps were released after CD players had become the normal state of affairs.

                          My NAD C320BEE has an input sensitivity of 220mV, and can handle a maximum 6V input.
                          It's interesting that the other two manufacturers do not publish a maximum input figure.
                          Last edited by Stratmangler; 2020-03-16, 20:25.
                          Chris :)

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                          • slartibartfast
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 13863

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Stratmangler
                            The variable hits an attenuation ladder.
                            Fixed bypasses it.
                            I didn't think a digital volume control used an attenuation ladder.

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                            • Jeff07971
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 1900

                              #15
                              Originally posted by slartibartfast
                              I didn't think a digital volume control used an attenuation ladder.

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                              It doesn't, though I do not know if the Receiver Volume control is in the the digital or analogue domains

                              I expect its in the digital domain given the number of audiophiles fixing at 100% to be "Bit Perfect"

                              Edit: Squeezeboxes are all in the digital domain https://forums.slimdevices.com/showt...t-external-DAC

                              Jeff
                              Last edited by Jeff07971; 2020-03-16, 21:31.
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