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    Noob questions about LMS on Raspberry Pi

    So following on from my thoughts to upgrade my old windows machine that ran LMS I've scrapped that idea. It's old, slow and probably not worth throwing money at.

    I'm hoping to get an LMS build up and running relatively cheaply (hence pi) and hopefully quickly and have been reading up on it for a few hours.

    Could anyone advise me on a few things? I'm a total Pi/Linux noob but I figured how hard can it be. Famous last words.

    1. I have an external hard drive with in the region of 500gb of FLAC files, will a Pi handle this ok? Around 17000 files. I play at full quality, no transcoding.

    2. I've only got 2 players currently but may add more, is there any sort of limit on how many the Pi can handle?

    3. My setup is all local, no internet connection as I don't run anything like Spotify or radio and no plugins really, pretty much vanilla LMS. Will the Pi server be ok with a manual IP? There's nothing running DHCP, everything is just conneccted to a cheap unmanaged switch and manually IP'd.

    4. With my Windows setup I had the server hibernate after a period of inactivity to save power. Can the Pi do this/is it even necessary?

    5. I also used the windows machine to rip new CD's to FLAC and transcode to Mp3 for portable devices, can a Pi setup handle this? Is it even possible? I see EAC isn't on Linux but there are alternatives.

    6. Finally and probably most importantly, how hard is LMS and PiCorePlayer to setup and add my 2 players plus external drive? I'm mostly experienced in Windows setups, I can learn though.

    Thanks in advance for any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephentw View Post
    So following on from my thoughts to upgrade my old windows machine that ran LMS I've scrapped that idea. It's old, slow and probably not worth throwing money at.

    I'm hoping to get an LMS build up and running relatively cheaply (hence pi) and hopefully quickly and have been reading up on it for a few hours.

    Could anyone advise me on a few things? I'm a total Pi/Linux noob but I figured how hard can it be. Famous last words.

    1. I have an external hard drive with in the region of 500gb of FLAC files, will a Pi handle this ok? Around 17000 files. I play at full quality, no transcoding.

    2. I've only got 2 players currently but may add more, is there any sort of limit on how many the Pi can handle?

    3. My setup is all local, no internet connection as I don't run anything like Spotify or radio and no plugins really, pretty much vanilla LMS. Will the Pi server be ok with a manual IP? There's nothing running DHCP, everything is just conneccted to a cheap unmanaged switch and manually IP'd.

    4. With my Windows setup I had the server hibernate after a period of inactivity to save power. Can the Pi do this/is it even necessary?

    5. I also used the windows machine to rip new CD's to FLAC and transcode to Mp3 for portable devices, can a Pi setup handle this? Is it even possible? I see EAC isn't on Linux but there are alternatives.

    6. Finally and probably most importantly, how hard is LMS and PiCorePlayer to setup and add my 2 players plus external drive? I'm mostly experienced in Windows setups, I can learn though.

    Thanks in advance for any help.
    1. Yes, easily
    2. 10 easily, more? - who knows the limit.
    3. Unsure.
    4. Not, necessary, leave on 24/7
    5. Not if you use piCorePlayer. (see 6)
    6. piCorePlayer is itself an OS designed specifically as a squeezebox player and LMS server. No Linux skills whatsoever needed, everything is set up using a web browser. (example below)

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    Lounge - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5
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    hi stephentw,

    Setting up piCorePlayer without an internet connection is a lot more difficult. As a NOOB, I won't try it.

    piCorePlayer is a minimal install. To install LMS, for example, pCP need numerous extensions which it downloads from the internet.

    DHCP is good

    You might be better off looking for an *all inclusive* distribution. This means you only have to download one BIG image once.

    regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidstypike View Post
    1. Yes, easily
    2. 10 easily, more? - who knows the limit.
    3. Unsure.
    4. Not, necessary, leave on 24/7
    5. Not if you use piCorePlayer. (see 6)
    6. piCorePlayer is itself an OS designed specifically as a squeezebox player and LMS server. No Linux skills whatsoever needed, everything is set up using a web browser. (example below)

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    Ok great thanks for your help. This all sounds quite promising then.

    With 3 and the IP address situation does pcp have any network config somewhere? I presume most people connect a cable and let their router deal with DHCP so wouldn't need to look at that side. If there's network settings I'd assume theres a DHCP or manual option? Could anyone check on theirs for me?

    Lack of ripping isn't a deal breaker I'll just do that on another device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Erskine View Post
    hi stephentw,

    Setting up piCorePlayer without an internet connection is a lot more difficult. As a NOOB, I won't try it.

    piCorePlayer is a minimal install. To install LMS, for example, pCP need numerous extensions which it downloads from the internet.

    DHCP is good

    You might be better off looking for an *all inclusive* distribution. This means you only have to download one BIG image once.

    regards
    Greg
    Hmm, well I can set it up on the internet, thats not a problem. But once its fully setup as a server and ready to go could I not then put it into my local network with static IP if all I ever want is local music from my hard drive? Both my players have statics configured.

    Other than that can I run a DHCP server on the same PI for my 3 devices?

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    Read a bit more, in this guide it's configured with a static, looks fairly simple to me?

    https://www.picoreplayer.org/how_to_install_lms.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephentw View Post
    Read a bit more, in this guide it's configured with a static, looks fairly simple to me?

    https://www.picoreplayer.org/how_to_install_lms.shtml
    If you intend to use that guide, when resizing the file system 300MB is woefully small if running LMS, I'd go for at least 2000MB.
    Server - LMS 8.0.0 Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs)
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    Lounge - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephentw View Post
    Hmm, well I can set it up on the internet, thats not a problem. But once its fully setup as a server and ready to go could I not then put it into my local network with static IP if all I ever want is local music from my hard drive? Both my players have statics configured.

    Other than that can I run a DHCP server on the same PI for my 3 devices?
    I setup a rPi3B+ with hifiberry DAC+Pro via internet, then moved it to a location where I have no internet and no local network. I use the rPi WIFI to control it with my iphone (by setting my iphone network temporarily to the WIFI connection of the rPi). Works fine. I have an attached USB drive with about 112,000 tracks and all works well.

    edit: Originally, I was going to setup a router to create a local WIFI network for all this, but found I could do this with the WIFI of the rPi itself without the need for a local network (without internet connection).
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    Home: VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet)
    Cottage: VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI)
    Office: Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite
    The Wild (no internet): PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite)
    Controllers: iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop
    Files: ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify

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    Static ip is no problem.
    No internet means also that time of pi will drift. No real problem but will give wrong screensaver time on player.
    SqueezeBoxes: 1x Transporter (Living room) 1x SB2 (shed), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Study 2), few spare unit's
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    Quote Originally Posted by garym View Post
    I setup a rPi3B+ with hifiberry DAC+Pro via internet, then moved it to a location where I have no internet and no local network. I use the rPi WIFI to control it with my iphone (by setting my iphone network temporarily to the WIFI connection of the rPi). Works fine. I have an attached USB drive with about 112,000 tracks and all works well.

    edit: Originally, I was going to setup a router to create a local WIFI network for all this, but found I could do this with the WIFI of the rPi itself without the need for a local network (without internet connection).
    Hmm that sounds interesting. So is the Pi setup like a hotspot you can connect to from another device?

    Are your other devices wired on that network? Thats what I'd have.

    I figured if it's on my internet connected network I could set everything up and at the very end change the settings to manual and put in my static settings, save and connect it to the my other network.

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