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    LMS on Raspberri PI

    Hi All
    I have just managed to setup my old SB classic again with the LMS on a laptop. All is working well incl. Spotify.
    During my LMS setup searches I have read here and there a bit regarding setting up a LMS on Raspberry. For a long time I have been thinking to get a Raspberry Pi for Pi-Hole.
    Now would be the time for me to get both setup. Would someone be able to elaborate a bit how to go about it as I am thinking about a RB pi 4b??

    Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by notechyet View Post
    Hi All
    I have just managed to setup my old SB classic again with the LMS on a laptop. All is working well incl. Spotify.
    During my LMS setup searches I have read here and there a bit regarding setting up a LMS on Raspberry. For a long time I have been thinking to get a Raspberry Pi for Pi-Hole.
    Now would be the time for me to get both setup. Would someone be able to elaborate a bit how to go about it as I am thinking about a RB pi 4b??

    Thanks in advance
    There are several ways to run LMS on a Raspberry Pi. I've been using a Raspberry Pi model 3 as a server for some time now. In my case I have the music library on a NAS, and both the NAS and the PI are wired to the router. The Pi is running piCorePlayer - setup is quite easy and there are threads in the Linux/Unix forum here. See also http://www.picoreplayer.org/ I've found that keeping LMS and its plugins updated is very easy (easier than when I ran LMS on the NAS).

    My Pi-based LMS server is just a Pi model 3 in a cheap plastic case that sits on top of the NAS. I have never used a Pi4, but I've read concerns about its running temperature so you may need to investigate different cases from that perspective.

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    With a passive heat-sink type aluminium case rpi4 runs just fine with piCore/LMS (no Squeezelite).
    Even when upsamling with C-3PO to 24/192 it's about 50░C in room temperature 20-22░C.
    I have not tested with LMS & Squeezelite.
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    thanks @Grumpy Bob and @DomieMic65
    our to be bought RBP? setup with the LMS will be on our Ethernet as well. To future proof the setup I am thinking to buy this.
    We are spotify subscribers as our local music collection is very small + we are regular radio listeners(international).
    On my searches I came across the Max2Play though have no idea yet how I can install this or any other LMS(or equivalent) on RBPi as I do not own such yet.
    Any other hints and suggestions?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by notechyet View Post
    thanks @Grumpy Bob and @DomieMic65
    our to be bought RBP? setup with the LMS will be on our Ethernet as well. To future proof the setup I am thinking to buy this.
    We are spotify subscribers as our local music collection is very small + we are regular radio listeners(international).
    On my searches I came across the Max2Play though have no idea yet how I can install this or any other LMS(or equivalent) on RBPi as I do not own such yet.
    Any other hints and suggestions?

    Thanks
    My 2p
    1. There is nothing wrong with Max2Play but there is more support here for piCorePlayer.
    2. If you are considering a Pi4 as purely an LMS server then there are cheaper cases available that include heatsink.
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    For a pi4 I would recommend an aluminium FLIRC case as it's passively cooled and keeps temperatures to manageable levels. I tested mine with 100% CPU and GPU load, I think it topped out at ca. 60c, it runs at a steady 40c (ish) while hosting LMS and serving basic NAS duty (4 drive tower attached via USB 3).

    I run LMS from the max2play image on a Pi 3 and Pi 4, others here may be able to suggest better solutions but for getting LMS up and running I find max2play very convenient: download the image, burn it onto the card, boot the pi and with some very basic configuration via web pages you're up and running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leadears View Post
    For a pi4 I would recommend an aluminium FLIRC case as it's passively cooled and keeps temperatures to manageable levels. I tested mine with 100% CPU and GPU load, I think it topped out at ca. 60c, it runs at a steady 40c (ish) while hosting LMS and serving basic NAS duty (4 drive tower attached via USB 3).

    I run LMS from the max2play image on a Pi 3 and Pi 4, others here may be able to suggest better solutions but for getting LMS up and running I find max2play very convenient: download the image, burn it onto the card, boot the pi and with some very basic configuration via web pages you're up and running.
    I used to use Max2Play but after getting a Pi4 and installing the Debian buster image I ran into problems updating the system to the latest temperature reducing kernel. Updating the system from the command line left it unable to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slartibartfast View Post
    I used to use Max2Play but after getting a Pi4 and installing the Debian buster image I ran into problems updating the system to the latest temperature reducing kernel. Updating the system from the command line left it unable to boot.

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    That's useful to know, I think I already picked up on the boot issue from your earlier (helpful) posts on getting musicip running on the Pi4. I'm kinda happy to leave mine running as it currently does all I want but of course there's potential fun ahead with updates. Can you recommend an alternative to Max2Play that solves the issue?
    Main room: Transporter -> ifi tube 2 -> Denon AVR 4306 -> Kef iq9
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    Quote Originally Posted by leadears View Post
    That's useful to know, I think I already picked up on the boot issue from your earlier (helpful) posts on getting musicip running on the Pi4. I'm kinda happy to leave mine running as it currently does all I want but of course there's potential fun ahead with updates. Can you recommend an alternative to Max2Play that solves the issue?
    See above from d6jg

    If you want to use your Raspberry Pi for lots of other things as well (at the same time) then another alternative is to use plain Raspbian and install LMS on it from the .deb file
    The benefit of using pCP or Max2Play is that they spend their time making it easy to get upgrades that (usually) work without having to worry about things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leadears View Post
    That's useful to know, I think I already picked up on the boot issue from your earlier (helpful) posts on getting musicip running on the Pi4. I'm kinda happy to leave mine running as it currently does all I want but of course there's potential fun ahead with updates. Can you recommend an alternative to Max2Play that solves the issue?
    Plain Raspbian. You just need to install things like samba and hd-idle manually.

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