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    Quote Originally Posted by radish112 View Post
    Sounds like a plan.

    Yes, all of my VB files are backed up weekly to a WD Elements 1 TB USB 2.0 Desktop External Hard Drive.

    I'm ok with buying another usb drive to connect to the rpi, BUT how will I keep the two drives in sync. (I'm currently accessing the VB FLAC files with my SB Touch, and when I rip CDs with dBpoweramp those files are placed in the FLAC directory of the VB appliance, which I can access via Windows 10 on my laptop computer. Then those files are available to the SB Touch.)

    Very happy to be getting feedback...
    You can access the files on a USB HHD attached to a Pi using Windows 10, so it's just copy/paste from your VB, or use a backup/sync software, I use FreeFileSync.

    The top 2 drives below are attached to my server Pi, the bottom two are shares on a WD MyCloud, all available on Win10 PC.

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    Server - LMS 8.0.0 Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0-rc1 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs)
    Study - Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite,
    Lounge - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5
    Dining Room - Squeezebox Boom
    Garage - Pi3B/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/pCP 5.0.0 > Edifier R980T

    Spares - 2xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 6xRPi

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidstypike View Post
    You can access the files on a USB HHD attached to a Pi using Windows 10, so it's just copy/paste from your VB, or use a backup/sync software, I use FreeFileSync.
    gary, and kidstypike,

    Ah, I'm beginning to see the light. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garym View Post
    I would skip this. Put the files on a usb drive and attach directly to rPi.
    ps. If your only copy of files is on the VB you’re asking for trouble. Backups are essential.
    Backup is essential but I’m not so sure about the USB with Pi approach. In the longer term a Pi with NAS is the better approach and there is no reason that the VB can’t fulfil the NAS role in the short term.
    VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
    Living Room - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s
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    Quote Originally Posted by d6jg View Post
    Backup is essential but I’m not so sure about the USB with Pi approach. In the longer term a Pi with NAS is the better approach and there is no reason that the VB can’t fulfil the NAS role in the short term.
    I like the speed of a USB3 SSD drive attached to my Pi for quicker scans.
    Server - LMS 8.0.0 Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0-rc1 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs)
    Study - Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite,
    Lounge - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5
    Dining Room - Squeezebox Boom
    Garage - Pi3B/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/pCP 5.0.0 > Edifier R980T

    Spares - 2xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 6xRPi

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidstypike View Post
    I like the speed of a USB3 SSD drive attached to my Pi for quicker scans.
    You can only do that with a Pi4. Usb2 only on earlier models
    VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
    Living Room - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s
    Office - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
    Dining Room -> SB Boom
    Kitchen -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
    Bedroom (Bedside) - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
    Bedroom (TV) - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s
    Everything controlled by iPeng

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    Quote Originally Posted by d6jg View Post
    You can only do that with a Pi4. Usb2 only on earlier models
    Never mind the expense!
    Server - LMS 8.0.0 Pi4B 4GB/Flirc case/pCP 6.0.0-rc1 18K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs)
    Study - Pi3B+/pCP 5.0.0/pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/jivelite,
    Lounge - Pi2/pCP 5.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5
    Dining Room - Squeezebox Boom
    Garage - Pi3B/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/pCP 5.0.0 > Edifier R980T

    Spares - 2xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 6xRPi

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidstypike View Post
    Never mind the expense!
    😀

    I’d be interested to know which is quicker

    OS with LMS on a slow disk (SD) with music on SSD
    Or
    OS with LMS on SSD with music on slow disks eg NAS

    My money is on latter as it’s the access to library that really benefits.
    VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
    Living Room - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s
    Office - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
    Dining Room -> SB Boom
    Kitchen -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
    Bedroom (Bedside) - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
    Bedroom (TV) - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s
    Everything controlled by iPeng

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    Accessing Vortexbox FLACfiles with a raspberry pi...is this possible?

    > I’d be interested to know which is quicker
    >
    > OS with LMS on a slow disk (SD) with music on SSD
    > Or
    > OS with LMS on SSD with music on slow disks eg NAS
    >
    > My money is on latter as it’s the access to library that really
    > benefits.


    During the scan this might be true. But in everyday use access to the
    cache is much more important. Therefore it might be more important where
    your LMS files live.

    That said I've been running LMS on a Pi 3B+ with music on an old NAS,
    and everything else on SD, and sometimes its web UI feels snappier than
    LMS on my x86 based Synology NAS with 16GB RAM and SSD cache...

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    Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by mherger View Post
    > I’d be interested to know which is quicker
    >
    > OS with LMS on a slow disk (SD) with music on SSD
    > Or
    > OS with LMS on SSD with music on slow disks eg NAS
    >
    > My money is on latter as it’s the access to library that really
    > benefits.


    During the scan this might be true. But in everyday use access to the
    cache is much more important. Therefore it might be more important where
    your LMS files live.

    That said I've been running LMS on a Pi 3B+ with music on an old NAS,
    and everything else on SD, and sometimes its web UI feels snappier than
    LMS on my x86 based Synology NAS with 16GB RAM and SSD cache...

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    Michael
    My production server is an HP Microserver Quad Core with 8gb Ram using a single 120gb SSD. Files are on NAS.

    This is definitely quicker on scanning than both a Pi3B and Pi4 4GB with LMS on SD and files on the same NAS.
    I also think the web gui is snappier on the HP.

    I’d like to try a Pi4 4GB with a USB3 SSD drive and LMS cache on the SSD but I don’t (yet) have a USB3 SSD
    VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
    Living Room - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s
    Office - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
    Dining Room -> SB Boom
    Kitchen -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
    Bedroom (Bedside) - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
    Bedroom (TV) - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s
    Everything controlled by iPeng

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    Accessing Vortexbox FLACfiles with a raspberry pi...is this possible?

    > This is definitely quicker on scanning than both a Pi3B and Pi4 4GB with
    > LMS on SD and files on the same NAS.
    > I also think the web gui is snappier on the HP.


    I rarely scan, but use the system often. Overall performance IMHO
    doesn't always correlate with scan performance. Yes, my NAS would scan
    quicker than the Pi. But bringing up the web UI sometimes takes seconds.
    As if it had been swapped out to a slow disk or something (which I would
    not expect to happen with the 16GB and SSD cache...). Interactive
    performance IMHO is much more important than the mostly background work
    of a scan.

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