LMS will be discontinued on Synology

[Johan Vromans]

> Honestly I would dare doubt that the upgraded operating system offers
> anything interesting to existing users and possibly the only issue will
> be to stop the NAS from upgrading again.

Security updates should be interesting to anyone running such a system,
no matter the experience level.

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LMS will be discontinued on Synology

Hi,

According to information from Synology, a number of 3rd party packages
will be discontinued in the near future. LMS is one of them.

The official LMS package for Synology is version 7.7.6 and hasn't been
updated for a long while.

A beta package is available for 7.9.1. It has been beta for a long while.

Is there anything we can do to keep LMS as an official 3rd party package?

-- Johan

https://johan.vromans.org/seasons_greetings.html

[pinkdot]

Hi,

According to information from Synology, ...

-- Johan
https://johan.vromans.org/seasons_greetings.html

Do you have a link to the official statement?

Thanks, Martin

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LMS will be discontinued on Synology

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 21:30:16 +0000, pinkdot wrote:

> Do you have a link to the official statement?

I've got it from

https://community.synology.com/enu/forum/1/post/130768

-- Johan

https://johan.vromans.org/seasons_greetings.html

[mherger]

LMS will be discontinued on Synology

> https://community.synology.com/enu/forum/1/post/130768

Thanks! Good news is that Perl is not on that list. Which means that LMS
will likely continue to work in some way.

--

Michael

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LMS will be discontinued on Synology

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 23:09:36 +0100, Michael Herger <slim (AT) herger (DOT) net> wrote:

> Thanks! Good news is that Perl is not on that list. Which means that LMS
> will likely continue to work in some way.

I do not share your optimism... The perl environment on Synology lacks the
bigger part of the ecosystem so getting LMS to run will become hard, and
discouraging.

Nothing beats a ready-to-use package.

[pinkdot]

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 23:09:36 +0100, Michael Herger <slim (AT) herger (DOT) net> wrote:

> Thanks! Good news is that Perl is not on that list. Which means that LMS
> will likely continue to work in some way.

I do not share your optimism... The perl environment on Synology lacks the
bigger part of the ecosystem so getting LMS to run will become hard, and
discouraging.

Nothing beats a ready-to-use package.

We build ready-to-use and updated packages for a a couple of years now (see my signature, LmsUpdate), but you have a point. Perl is a pain when it comes to all the diffferent architectures Synology nas have. That's the part I'm most worried about.
But, lets see where DSM 7 beta is going first ...

Greetings,

Martin

[mherger]

LMS will be discontinued on Synology

> We build ready-to-use and updated packages for a a couple of years now
> (see my signature, LmsUpdate), but you have a point. Perl is a pain when
> it comes to all the diffferent architectures Synology nas have. That's
> the part I'm most worried about.
I'm relatively new to Synology. How badly breaking are they in between
DSM upgrades? Eg. if you grabbed the Perl packages today, how likely is
it they would still run on DSM?

This is a pity. Several months back I asked them whether we should take
care of maintaining their packages. But they never responded :-(

--

Michael

[pinkdot]

> We build ready-to-use and updated packages for a a couple of years now
> (see my signature, LmsUpdate), but you have a point. Perl is a pain when
> it comes to all the diffferent architectures Synology nas have. That's
> the part I'm most worried about.
I'm relatively new to Synology. How badly breaking are they in between
DSM upgrades?

Well, its not that easy to answer. Synology doesn't update its Perl on a major releases. 5.8 -> 5.18 was somewhere during DSM5.2 and 5.18->5.24 was updated during DSM6.
Since we now have 5.24 for 3 years, it wouldn't surprise me if another Perl update was to be released in the near future, maybe with the DSM7 beta release or soon after that.

Eg. if you grabbed the Perl packages today, how likely is
it they would still run on DSM?

True, if Perl is not updated, we would still be able to run LMS on Synology nas. Or, we have to cross-compile the modules ourselves using the Synology tool-chains.
As package dependencies, only a minimum DSM version and Perl version is specified, for the current release this is specified:

[Perl]
dsm_min_ver=4.2.3124
pkg_min_ver=5.24.0-0065

This is a pity. Several months back I asked them whether we should take
care of maintaining their packages. But they never responded :-(

--

Michael

See it as an opportunity, if LMS is removed from the Package Center, things will be less complicated to have an updated version in that same Package Center (if its worth the work).
((I assume Logitech had a contract with Synology to distribute their software, and therefor 'you' were informed by Synology that they would remove the package from their Package manager? Not?))

Greetings,

Martin

[mherger]

LMS will be discontinued on Synology

> ((I assume Logitech had a contract with Synology to distribute their
> software, and therefor 'you' were informed by Synology that they would
> remove the package from their Package manager? Not?))

I am not aware of any such deal. The only one I know of is Netgear/ReadyNAS.

--

Michael

[[email protected]]

LMS will be discontinued on Synology

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 21:02:50 +0000, pinkdot wrote:

> See it as an opportunity, if LMS is removed from the Package Center,
> things will be less complicated to have an updated version in that same
> Package Center -(if its worth the work)-.

Major stumbling block is the fact that LMS does not play nicely with stock
Perl. Last time I looked it required a bunch of specially patched and built
tools and modules to run. Several people (including me) have tried to get
LMS running on a clean, distro supplied Perl platform with varying (but
never succesful, at least not that I know) results.

-- Johan

[cfuttrup]

I 'complained' in the Synology forum and the response is here:

https://community.synology.com/enu/forum/1/post/130768?reply=417377

... that they recommend to use Docker.

Is this a viable way forward?

/Claus

[pinkdot]

I 'complained' in the Synology forum and the response is here:

https://community.synology.com/enu/forum/1/post/130768?reply=417377

... that they recommend to use Docker.

Is this a viable way forward?

/Claus

Docker is only x86_64, so no, not for all arch's!

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LMS will be discontinued on Synology

On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 17:03:32 +0000, cfuttrup
<cfuttrup.9e1f4n (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

> I 'complained' in the Synology forum and the response is here:
> https://community.synology.com/enu/f...8?reply=417377
> ... that they recommend to use Docker.
>
> Is this a viable way forward?

Docker is for limited architectures only, and requires substantial
resources. A 2GB DS418 runs LSM nucely but will die when you mention docker.

I think the best option is a 4GB RPi4.

[cfuttrup]

I have a DS415+ (Quad core Intel Atom)... but it anyway sounds like an unnecessary heavy load. Maybe I can just keep running my machine as-is.