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    jvromans@squirrel.nl
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    LMS will be discontinued on Synology

    Hi,

    According to information from Synology, a number of 3rd party packages
    will be discontinued in the near future. LMS is one of them.

    The official LMS package for Synology is version 7.7.6 and hasn't been
    updated for a long while.

    A beta package is available for 7.9.1. It has been beta for a long while.

    Is there anything we can do to keep LMS as an official 3rd party package?

    -- Johan
    https://johan.vromans.org/seasons_greetings.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvromans@squirrel.nl View Post
    Hi,

    According to information from Synology, ...

    -- Johan
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    Do you have a link to the official statement?

    Thanks, Martin

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    jvromans@squirrel.nl
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    LMS will be discontinued on Synology

    On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 21:30:16 +0000, pinkdot wrote:

    > Do you have a link to the official statement?


    I've got it from

    https://community.synology.com/enu/forum/1/post/130768

    -- Johan
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    LMS will be discontinued on Synology

    > https://community.synology.com/enu/forum/1/post/130768

    Thanks! Good news is that Perl is not on that list. Which means that LMS
    will likely continue to work in some way.

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    Michael

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    jvromans@squirrel.nl
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    LMS will be discontinued on Synology

    On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 23:09:36 +0100, Michael Herger <slim (AT) herger (DOT) net> wrote:

    > Thanks! Good news is that Perl is not on that list. Which means that LMS
    > will likely continue to work in some way.


    I do not share your optimism... The perl environment on Synology lacks the
    bigger part of the ecosystem so getting LMS to run will become hard, and
    discouraging.

    Nothing beats a ready-to-use package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvromans@squirrel.nl View Post
    On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 23:09:36 +0100, Michael Herger <slim (AT) herger (DOT) net> wrote:

    > Thanks! Good news is that Perl is not on that list. Which means that LMS
    > will likely continue to work in some way.


    I do not share your optimism... The perl environment on Synology lacks the
    bigger part of the ecosystem so getting LMS to run will become hard, and
    discouraging.

    Nothing beats a ready-to-use package.
    We build ready-to-use and updated packages for a a couple of years now (see my signature, LmsUpdate), but you have a point. Perl is a pain when it comes to all the diffferent architectures Synology nas have. That's the part I'm most worried about.
    But, lets see where DSM 7 beta is going first ...

    Greetings,

    Martin

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    LMS will be discontinued on Synology

    > We build ready-to-use and updated packages for a a couple of years now
    > (see my signature, LmsUpdate), but you have a point. Perl is a pain when
    > it comes to all the diffferent architectures Synology nas have. That's
    > the part I'm most worried about.

    I'm relatively new to Synology. How badly breaking are they in between
    DSM upgrades? Eg. if you grabbed the Perl packages today, how likely is
    it they would still run on DSM?

    This is a pity. Several months back I asked them whether we should take
    care of maintaining their packages. But they never responded :-(

    --

    Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by mherger View Post
    > We build ready-to-use and updated packages for a a couple of years now
    > (see my signature, LmsUpdate), but you have a point. Perl is a pain when
    > it comes to all the diffferent architectures Synology nas have. That's
    > the part I'm most worried about.

    I'm relatively new to Synology. How badly breaking are they in between
    DSM upgrades?
    Well, its not that easy to answer. Synology doesn't update its Perl on a major releases. 5.8 -> 5.18 was somewhere during DSM5.2 and 5.18->5.24 was updated during DSM6.
    Since we now have 5.24 for 3 years, it wouldn't surprise me if another Perl update was to be released in the near future, maybe with the DSM7 beta release or soon after that.
    Eg. if you grabbed the Perl packages today, how likely is
    it they would still run on DSM?
    True, if Perl is not updated, we would still be able to run LMS on Synology nas. Or, we have to cross-compile the modules ourselves using the Synology tool-chains.
    As package dependencies, only a minimum DSM version and Perl version is specified, for the current release this is specified:
    Code:
    [Perl]
    dsm_min_ver=4.2.3124
    pkg_min_ver=5.24.0-0065
    This is a pity. Several months back I asked them whether we should take
    care of maintaining their packages. But they never responded :-(

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    Michael
    See it as an opportunity, if LMS is removed from the Package Center, things will be less complicated to have an updated version in that same Package Center (if its worth the work).
    ((I assume Logitech had a contract with Synology to distribute their software, and therefor 'you' were informed by Synology that they would remove the package from their Package manager? Not?))

    Greetings,

    Martin

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    LMS will be discontinued on Synology

    > ((I assume Logitech had a contract with Synology to distribute their
    > software, and therefor 'you' were informed by Synology that they would
    > remove the package from their Package manager? Not?))


    I am not aware of any such deal. The only one I know of is Netgear/ReadyNAS.

    --

    Michael

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    LMS will be discontinued on Synology

    On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 21:02:50 +0000, pinkdot wrote:

    > See it as an opportunity, if LMS is removed from the Package Center,
    > things will be less complicated to have an updated version in that same
    > Package Center -(if its worth the work)-.


    Major stumbling block is the fact that LMS does not play nicely with stock
    Perl. Last time I looked it required a bunch of specially patched and built
    tools and modules to run. Several people (including me) have tried to get
    LMS running on a clean, distro supplied Perl platform with varying (but
    never succesful, at least not that I know) results.

    -- Johan

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