Tidal stutter using LMS

[Redrum]

> Could someone walk me through inserting a custom conf file in the
> appropriate place to solve this for me.

The latest LMS8 should have the necessary changes which would allow you
to transcode to PCM.


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Michael

I read a variety of posts in two threads on this and hope someone can summarize a solution.

I am new to Tidal, trying a tidal hi-fi+ trial. I am running 8.2.0 - 1627922070

I have been running a few tidal "mixes" on a touch synced with a receiver. Occasionally a song song will stutter, primarily on the receiver, but the sync might trip up the touch a bit. It's the typical strawberry jam on the CD sound.

my current solution is just to skip to the next track.

Best way to address? Saying "ditch the receiver" is an acceptable solution Perhaps the fix is in 8+ but it a setting I have to tweak?

Jim

[Redrum]

I read a variety of posts in two threads on this and hope someone can summarize a solution.

I am new to Tidal, trying a tidal hi-fi+ trial. I am running 8.2.0 - 1627922070

I have been running a few tidal "mixes" on a touch synced with a receiver. Occasionally a song song will stutter, primarily on the receiver, but the sync might trip up the touch a bit. It's the typical strawberry jam on the CD sound.

my current solution is just to skip to the next track.

Best way to address? Saying "ditch the receiver" is an acceptable solution Perhaps the fix is in 8+ but it a setting I have to tweak?

Jim

Sorry to bump this. I am having tidal stuttering on a receiver, touches play fine. I am assuming that I have to change a setting in LMS (per one of Michael's previous posts), and am guessing that it's on settings->advanced->file types, but I am unclear what the change? There are alot of buttons and knobs on this page.

Jim

[garym]

> Could someone walk me through inserting a custom conf file in the
> appropriate place to solve this for me.

The latest LMS8 should have the necessary changes which would allow you
to transcode to PCM.


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Michael

I'm not sure exactly what Michael is referring to here. I don't use Tidal, don't use a custom_convert, and use the default settings on filetype. But perhaps the answer is in the LMS > Settings > Advanced > Filetypes, the user would set FLAC to "disabled" instead of "native" and PCM to disabled. Not sure, but if that causes any issues, just set them back to FLAC > native and PCM > FLAC. You won't break anything trying. See picture. (other thoughts are useful from someone more knowledgeable about this).

edit: maybe on that filetypes settings page you need to also (or instead) untick the "prefer native format (decoding on player) when possible"

[garym]

Also, in another thread, @mherger noted that he had "added a flag" to LMS8 to solve stuttering. Where is this 'flag' setting in LMS > Settings? Is that the "prefer native format (decode on player)" option I mention in post above? Thanks.

> I'm never sure about the alternatives when native flac gets disabled.
> This might be related to "type" I think standard flc rules "PCM" and
> "MP3" are just "F" and no "I". Maybe need to add the Flac PCM "I" to
> convert.conf

I added the I flag to LMS8. You should be able to transcode to PCM, and
it certainly solved the stuttering for aforementioned tracks. Please
updated to the latest LMS8 build and disable native FLAC playback.

[Redrum]

Also, in another thread, @mherger noted that he had "added a flag" to LMS8 to solve stuttering. Where is this 'flag' setting in LMS > Settings? Is that the "prefer native format (decode on player)" option I mention in post above? Thanks.

Right, that is what I was trying to get clarification on, what exactly is meant by "disable native FLAC playback" in Michael's message? I was hoping he was listening
Jim

[mherger]

> Right, that is what I was trying to get clarification on, what exactly
> is meant by "disable native FLAC playback" in Michael's message? I was
> hoping he was listening

I am... but sometimes I don't read in real time!

They quote garym posted already is outdated :-). Philippe subsequently
did even more work to improve the streaming reliability. Please check
Settings/Advanced/Networking where you'll find three options for the
http streaming mode.

[Redrum]

I am... but sometimes I don't read in real time!

You could have fooled me, understood. Sorry to be persistent, but I was trying to resolve since 12/25 and there were "crickets" (not the sport, bug noise) https://forums.slimdevices.com/showt...=1#post1041298

I was familiar with persistent mode as a successor to reliable (for podcasts), but are you suggesting that this should address Tidal stutter on only a receiver, rather than the transcoding via LMS as suggested earlier?

oops, I just looked, I was in normal mode, now how did that happen?

Thank you!
Jim

[garym]

You could have fooled me, understood. Sorry to be persistent, but I was trying to resolve since 12/25 and there were "crickets" (not the sport, bug noise) https://forums.slimdevices.com/showt...=1#post1041298

I was familiar with persistent mode as a successor to reliable (for podcasts), but are you suggesting that this should address Tidal stutter on only a receiver, rather than the transcoding via LMS as suggested earlier?

oops, I just looked, I was in normal mode, now how did that happen?

Thank you!
Jim

Yes, that's what he is saying. Try the persistent mode (ignore my filetypes suggestions!)

[mherger]

> You could have fooled me, understood. Sorry to be persistent, but I was
> trying to resolve since 12/25 and there were "crickets" (not the sport,
> bug noise)
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showt...=1#post1041298

Oops... sorry... I'm currently a bit busy - in between vacations :-).

> I was familiar with persistent mode as a successor to reliable (for
> podcasts), but are you suggesting that this should address Tidal stutter
> on only a receiver, rather than the transcoding via LMS as suggested
> earlier?

Yes, I think so. There's no direct streaming anyway, as the players
don't support https.

[philippe_44]

> You could have fooled me, understood. Sorry to be persistent, but I was
> trying to resolve since 12/25 and there were "crickets" (not the sport,
> bug noise)
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showt...=1#post1041298

Oops... sorry... I'm currently a bit busy - in between vacations :-).

> I was familiar with persistent mode as a successor to reliable (for
> podcasts), but are you suggesting that this should address Tidal stutter
> on only a receiver, rather than the transcoding via LMS as suggested
> earlier?

Yes, I think so. There's no direct streaming anyway, as the players
don't support https.

Isn’t that rather the issue with high compression rate of flac that does not work well with SB3, diet and Boom? We added a “forced transcode” option that plugins could set, but AFAIR, we activated it in Deezer only. I might be wrong, but isn’t tidal doing flac as well now ?