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    Quote Originally Posted by w3wilkes View Post
    The problem is I've never been able to get tracks in different folders to be joined into a single album even with all relevant tags being identical.
    This is something I don't personally do, so idk if it works, but my understanding is that setting a comp=0 tag is supposed to join tracks from different folders into the same album, if otherwise identical. It's a hack, (like a lot of servers bizarre behavior) that persists from the early days, as a reaction to stupid things iTunes was doing, (many of them still doing). More info in my sig links.

    Various artists "logic" greatest hits "logic" etc... the will to handle things properly is gone, and been satiated with "good enough" or works for me, etc, no matter how broken or unintuitive.
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    Using: Win7 64 + LMS 7.9 & Duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod
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    Regarding the initial issue, it should be obvious that what server should do is prioritize album art thats in a folder, while now playing prioritizes what's embedded. Even better would be to expose this ranking in settings.
    Last edited by BJW; 2019-03-19 at 06:21.
    Using: Win7 64 + LMS 7.9 & Duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJW View Post
    This is something I don't personally do, so idk if it works, but my understanding is that setting a comp=0 tag is supposed to join tracks from different folders into the same album, if otherwise identical.
    I've never been able to get files from different directories to join as a single album with all tags the same. I do not use the comp flag at all. I do comp albums strictly with "Album Artist", some compilations I use "Various", some I use "Soundtrack", etc. All "Artist" tags are the actual performing artist for the track. I would have thought that no Comp tag would be the same as Comp=0, but I've never tested Comp=0 with an album spread across multiple directories. I've only tested with no comp tag at all.
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    Ok, so since it has been said by me, why not try it?

    I can guarantee u that no comp tag is not the same as comp=0

    ...but i never guarantee what server will do. Still, give it a whirl, see if it does what u want.
    Using: Win7 64 + LMS 7.9 & Duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJW View Post
    Ok, so since it has been said by me, why not try it?

    I can guarantee u that no comp tag is not the same as comp=0

    ...but i never guarantee what server will do. Still, give it a whirl, see if it does what u want.
    I second the above.

    The difference between a comp=0 and no comp tag, is that LMS will try to interpret what the comp tag is if it isn't set. This becomes an issue at times when the ARTIST tag is not the same for every track on an album, which does occur when you have a true compilation album, but will also occur in situations where the artist tags differ because of a guest artist or other variation.

    I believe the intent is that if the Album Artist is set that it should act like the comp tag = 0, but that was not perfect.

    So, in my own library, I set comp=0 for most albums, except those that are truly a various artists compilation, in which case I set comp=1.

    This is all less than perfect and somewhat of a hack on perhaps the real intentions, but I've not had any issues since I started setting a comp tag for every file (0 or 1). I'm sure it would be problematic if I was using other software, but LMS and one other software (MediaMonkey) are my only music library software.

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    Personally, I have never had to set a comp=0 tag, ever, for anything.

    I have never had server call something with no comp tags AND album artist tags a comp. if it ever has done so, I would love to know the criteria necessary to cause it?

    My understanding is this:

    There are only 2 circumstances u would need a comp=0 tag:

    1. Server is identifying something as a comp, for whatever reason, and the user wants to force server to NOT recognize whatever it is as a comp.

    (Again, not something I ever have an issue with, since I put album artist tags on everything)

    2. A user has a CD ripped such that different tracks are in different folders, (like iTunes did, and maybe still does), and by setting comp=0 the CD shows as one album, but not a comp. imagine a CD like Duets. The differing folders would have made server think it's differing albums when it isn't, (I think, or maybe the different artists in different folders, etc) but it's also not a comp. so the comp=0 tag "fixes" the issue.

    (Again, not something I ever have an issue with, since I always rip one CD to one folder. Imo, server shouldn't accommodate bad behavior by crap like iTunes, but there it is)

    So bottom line is most people shouldn't need or use comp=0 tags. Even if they have some justification by the 2 usage cases above, server is buggy enough to where u still can get weird results. The two links in my sig and bugzilla have documentation of such bizarre behaviors.
    Using: Win7 64 + LMS 7.9 & Duet & ipads w/the logitech app, and ipeng on an ipod
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJW View Post
    Personally, I have never had to set a comp=0 tag, ever, for anything.

    I have never had server call something with no comp tags AND album artist tags a comp. if it ever has done so, I would love to know the criteria necessary to cause it?

    My understanding is this:

    There are only 2 circumstances u would need a comp=0 tag:

    1. Server is identifying something as a comp, for whatever reason, and the user wants to force server to NOT recognize whatever it is as a comp.

    (Again, not something I ever have an issue with, since I put album artist tags on everything)

    2. A user has a CD ripped such that different tracks are in different folders, (like iTunes did, and maybe still does), and by setting comp=0 the CD shows as one album, but not a comp. imagine a CD like Duets. The differing folders would have made server think it's differing albums when it isn't, (I think, or maybe the different artists in different folders, etc) but it's also not a comp. so the comp=0 tag "fixes" the issue.

    (Again, not something I ever have an issue with, since I always rip one CD to one folder. Imo, server shouldn't accommodate bad behavior by crap like iTunes, but there it is)

    So bottom line is most people shouldn't need or use comp=0 tags. Even if they have some justification by the 2 usage cases above, server is buggy enough to where u still can get weird results. The two links in my sig and bugzilla have documentation of such bizarre behaviors.
    This happened to me with LMS (or its predecessor, around v 7.3). That's why I ended up going that route. I have AlbumArtist tags on EVERYTHING and I would still have tracks and albums pop up as compilations. My circumstances did not split albums across folders (I don't use ITunes and it would drive me crazy). But, it was happening quite often. Now was there something else on my end causing the problem? maybe. This was right when I started with a Squeezebox of any type, and I was definitely cleaning up files and tags. Most of the files at the time were MP3's. I never saw a fix being implemented (successfully), so I just created an action in MP3Tag that forces comp=0 for all files I run through it, even as I have been working to put everything into FLAC format.

    So your bottom line statement is correct, of course. Heck I was criticized for using comp=0 then, but my reasons even met your reason, and I only mention it now because it did solve my issues and it can force a no compilation determination from the server if all else fails. Plus, it doesn't seem to hurt anything.

    On a side note, I work as a regulator for seismic and flood safety. We often recommend that people put redundant measures in place for safety because it all but assures safety. I guess I always felt that the comp=0 tag was a nice redundancy for the album artist tag. Afterall, I am still amazed at how many software and hardware still don't recognize Album Artist as a tag.

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    Afterall, I am still amazed at how many software and hardware still don't recognize Album Artist as a tag.
    It was certainly a problem with old and unmaintained players, but what new players don't support it?

    I guess there are car stereos etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by elstensoftware View Post
    It was certainly a problem with old and unmaintained players, but what new players don't support it?

    I guess there are car stereos etc...

    I find that most (not all) players in Android don't support it (or only loosely support it). I can't be specific because it has been a year since I last looked, and perhaps support has improved. I've only found 2 or 3 in Android that support the tag as well as I've been used to on desktop systems (like LMS).

    Now thankfully it isn't all software, but occasionally, I find a program I would love to do because it looks nice with good features, but those end up the cases where the support is not there (or poor).

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