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    Incorrect entries (without content) in menus - LMS bug?

    Hi.

    This is a split from another thread about a problem which I originally believed to be limited to virutal libraries but which I also find in built-in LMS menus (genre). From my understanding it could be linked to how LMS handles compilation albums.

    Two examples:

    #1
    You have an artist with some studio albums (artist = album artist) and who also has contributed a couple of tracks to some compilations. Some tracks (only studio album tracks) have "SOMECOMMENT" in their comment tag. None of his compilation tracks has "SOMECOMMENT" in the comment tag.
    Now I do a search for "SOMECOMMENT" in the comment tag & create an artist menu for that library view.
    Then when I look up this artist in the newly created artist menu (for all tracks with "SOMECOMMENT"), it shows all of the correct albums with the correct tracks in them. But it also shows some of the compilations but with no content (it says "empty").
    The connection is: these compilations have tracks with "SOMECOMMENT", but from other artists. Why do these albums show up here at all?

    In short:
    in the artists menu, you have artist > (false compilation) album > empty
    virtual library has tracks from this artist, virtual library has tracks from this compilation, but not from this artist on this compilation.
    There should be no intersection between this virtual library (all tracks with SOMECOMMENT), this artist and this compilation but it still shows this compilation (empty content) in his albums list.

    #2
    The second example is similar, with different "variables". And it can be found in the built-in genre menu as well.
    You have an artist ARTIST A who has a studio album tagged GENRE 1. She has also contributed songs to compilations that have songs from other artist tagged as GENRE 2, GENRE 2 etc.. A compilation with songs of more than one genre.
    When I go to the built-in LMS genres menu to GENRE 1 > ARTIST A, it will show me the correct albums with the correct songs (tagged as GENRE 1), but it will also show me an entry (without content) for one or more compilations to which ARTIST A has contributed a song but not tagged as GENRE 1.

    In short:
    in the LMS genres menu, you have genre > artist > (false compilation) album > empty
    this genre has tracks from this artist, this genre has tracks from this compilation, but not from this artist on this compilation.
    There should be no intersection between this genre, this artist and this compilation but it still shows this compilation (empty content) in his albums list.

    I hope someone can figure this out. Additional information can be found in the parent thread.
    Thank you.

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    Hi,

    please change the value in the settings for "various Artists" to something else like "Artists on Samplers".
    Using the same Artistname like in that settings is / was a common "dont do that" years ago and i am pretty sure that isnt changed.
    If that doesnt help you can add me to your ignorelist and call me stupid or whatever you like.

    The next thing i figured out - and what maybe is also a hint of your "my other lms doesnt do this" is:
    A fresh install must not the same as a update from a very old lms - even when that lms reports itself as version 7.92.

    If your reports are just from the "old" and not the virtual lms....
    eg if your running your lms on OSX and captured the installation from a backup/timemachine - things can go wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJanGo View Post
    please change the value in the settings for "Various Artists" to something else like "Artists on Samplers".
    I did as you said, and I even changed the setting to list compilations as a group under that name. I restarted LMS inbetween to be sure. Unfortunately, it didn't have the desired effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by DJanGo View Post
    Using the same Artistname like in that settings is / was a common "dont do that" years ago and i am pretty sure that isnt changed.
    I didn't know that. I've always had it that way and never thought about it because LMS didn't give me any problems with compilations until now.

    Quote Originally Posted by DJanGo View Post
    you can add me to your ignorelist and call me stupid or whatever you like.
    I'm generally considered a polite person who wouldn't do that. Sorry, no exception for you here.

    Quote Originally Posted by DJanGo View Post
    The next thing i figured out - and what maybe is also a hint of your "my other lms doesnt do this" is:
    A fresh install must not the same as a update from a very old lms - even when that lms reports itself as version 7.92.
    If your reports are just from the "old" and not the virtual lms....
    eg if your running your lms on OSX and captured the installation from a backup/timemachine - things can go wrong...
    That's a good point. So I wiped every trace of LMS (all caches, preferences file, everything I could find and think of, I hope I haven't overlooked anything) from my system and then I did a clean install of LMS on my system (macOS 10.13.6, not the virtual machine) + a rescan.
    Unfortunately the problem is still there. I'm starting to get used to the idea of living with it.

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