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  1. #91
    Senior Member pablolie's Avatar
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    It's easy to get acceptance, especially now that stuff can be controlled from a laptop.

    I am solo again, but both my ex-wife and my ex-girlfriend learned quickly to navigate to their favorite (and to me despicable, girl music ugh) albums very easily on their iPads. It was so easy for them that the hard part was to remain in control of what was being played when I chill - as soon as you turn your back there's some Christina Aguilera or Beyonce playing (shiver :-D). Way too easy. Now... could they have installed the thing by themselves? Questionable. Not because they're not smart, but simply because they wouldn't care enough to go through the motions. I have a feeling that 80% of people participating in this forum are guys, and guys that are a little geeky too. That's why I like this place. :-)

    Oh, my mom lives with me 6 months out of the year. She *loves* the SB Radio. I set it up for her fav radio stations from Spain and Colombia, and all she has to do is push one of the preset keys.

    The system is very usable these days. But it *does* require some geekiness to install and occasionally maintain - and it's fun for us. :-)
    ...pablo
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    Quote Originally Posted by pablolie View Post
    The system is very usable these days. But it *does* require some geekiness to install and occasionally maintain - and it's fun for us. :-)
    I don't think it's either the install or use of SB, they're pretty straight forward. The big issue is the ripping and meticulous tagging of your music that's required. The proper tagging of your music can make or break the ease of use of SB.
    Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.1 Nightly on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave
    Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.1 Nightly on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave

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    I don't think so. Straightforward though I agree it is the sheer overwhelming quantity of stuff on every screen is what puts people off these things. Even if you don't have to change anything at all, presenting that many choices scares the living bejeezus out of anyone who isn't techie.

    Just to add your music folders is a mission without an awareness of where *not* to click and let's face it even to get there you have to be in the small minority of people who actually want to run a home server. Most don't.

    LMS is awesome, but in a world of dumbed down material design it presents approximately 1000 times as many choices as a novice needs to play their music.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pablolie View Post
    But it *does* require some geekiness to install and occasionally maintain - and it's fun for us. :-)
    I got into squeezeboxes because my wife and I wanted a bedside radio that would play the latest episode of The Archers on demand at bedtime. Reciva provided this very nicely until the BBC messed around with its codecs, so I had to look elsewhere and discovered the SB Boom and Radio driven by LMS with the fantastic BBCiPlayer plugin that by virtue of this community has withstood every further codec messing by the BBC. It's a real shame that Logitech couldn't successfully commercialise this concept despite giving it every chance, with Radios finding their way onto John Lewis' shelves, and the dumbed-down UE. I'm not giving up on squeezeboxes, but I can now play the latest episode of The Archers simply by saying "Alexa, The Archers" to my Echos, so I think I will probably drift away. It would be great if Logitech put their thinking hats on and re-injected some commercial energy into the project. For example, rebuilding the SB concept tied to their Harmony hub.

  5. #95

    Works perfectly in 2018

    So far the logitechmediaserver-7.9.0-1 on the CentOS 7.4 server feeding the Touch on the big stereo (with an ify iDAC2 USB DAC - does everything incl. DSD, really excellent), the Radio, Player 3 Classic, the SqueezeLites running on the Windows 10 PCs, the SB Player on the Android phones, and SB Control on the Androids doing remote control for all of it, all works perfectly.

    Should any of the hardware fail (the Touch, the Radio...) I would see if I could fix it, replace it with same, or use a raspberry based replacement to keep running the Logitech the software.

    -Z

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    This is a fun thread. Re: family adoption, my wife had no problem with the Boom. It became a habit for her: it took, she could play her music, it always worked. She controlled it through the browser for a couple years, then mostly Pandora through the remote.

    The other SBs required things to be turned on or universal remotes to be used. An extra step or steps. A stray gesture of the universal remote, not all the commands were received, why isnít this working? Just enough friction in the experience and no thanks, Bluetooth speaker carried room to room works just fine. In general it just wasnít worth it for her.

    Then thereís the platform itself. Iíve had some networking transition pains (moved to a new home with plaster/lathe walls, segmented rooms, so I transitioned to a new mesh network product and essentially beta-tested the product for some time before it was stabilized with the SBs), but theyíve been unrelated to my familyís adoption. Just a little too geeky for them. Is this an inherently geeky platform? This is part of the fun, right? It is for me anyway.

    The family recently took to Spotify, and the Sonos One speakers I peppered through the home takes their voice commands and plays Spotify and Pandora for them. They can turn speakers on and off through direct interaction with the speakers.

    So Iím down to one Transporter now, and Iím not giving it up anytime soon. I get to listen to music through a great hardware product with an amazing LMS platform actively cared for by Michael and this community. And my fam gets to talk to the Sonos speakers and hear what they want in any room. Everybodyís happy.

  7. #97
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    What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

    In a separate discussion, someone pointed me to forked-daapd:
    https://github.com/ejurgensen/forked-daapd#forked-daapd

    This looks quite appealing - it has a long list of supported players,
    including ChromeCast which would fit my needs quite well. Anyone here
    tried it?

    - Korny

    On 8 April 2018 at 23:30, dbwat <dbwat.8ffjnc (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
    wrote:

    >
    > This is a fun thread. Re: family adoption, my wife had no problem with
    > the Boom. It became a habit for her: it took, she could play her music,
    > it always worked. She controlled it through the browser for a couple
    > years, then mostly Pandora through the remote.
    >
    > The other SBs required things to be turned on or universal remotes to be
    > used. An extra step or steps. A stray gesture of the universal remote,
    > not all the commands were received, why isn’t this working? Just enough
    > friction in the experience and no thanks, Bluetooth speaker carried room
    > to room works just fine. In general it just wasn’t worth it for her.
    >
    > Then there’s the platform itself. I’ve had some networking transition
    > pains (moved to a new home with plaster/lathe walls, segmented rooms, so
    > I transitioned to a new mesh network product and essentially beta-tested
    > the product for some time before it was stabilized with the SBs), but
    > they’ve been unrelated to my family’s adoption. Just a little too geeky
    > for them. Is this an inherently geeky platform? This is part of the fun,
    > right? It is for me anyway.
    >
    > The family recently took to Spotify, and the Sonos One speakers I
    > peppered through the home takes their voice commands and plays Spotify
    > and Pandora for them. They can turn speakers on and off through direct
    > interaction with the speakers.
    >
    > So I’m down to one Transporter now, and I’m not giving it up anytime
    > soon. I get to listen to music through a great hardware product with an
    > amazing LMS platform actively cared for by Michael and this community.
    > And my fam gets to talk to the Sonos speakers and hear what they want in
    > any room. Everybody’s happy.
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  8. #98
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    My long term solution is relying for as long as I can on my current setup (1 SB3, 3 Boom, 1 SB2) and the spares I have in storage (1 Boom and 1 SB2). If/when I'll run out of spares, I think Raspberry Pi should suffice. I'm currently at a point in my life where I think my SqueezeServer might end up outliving me, to be honest. And that's fine. This is a testament to the good that can come out of open sourcing a project.

    The main thing I know I would miss with Raspberry Pi is the VFD display. Great visibility from distance. But nowadays I often use apps to browse through music and decide what to play.

  9. #99
    Agree with all the others. Stock up on spares and known failure parts. In my experience, the SB ecosystem has proven fairly durable and robust.

    And knowing how to repair the known failure points on some models, and what steps to take to reduce wear on those components, and to work around them if necessary, helps enormously as well.

    For instance, keep the VFDs on models that use them at low intensity or off as much as possible. Take it easy on the Classic/Transporter style remotes, which are known for IR emitter failures. The era of smart devices and apps has reduced the need for both. And don't crank up the volume on a Radio or Boom much past 40 if you want to preserve the speakers.

    And for all those models with cheap wall wart supplies, make sure they are always getting clean, stable, transient-protected power. Nothing can chew up a piece of electronics as quickly as a low-quality, out-of-spec, failing or bad PSU can.

    At this point, our inventory of Squeezeboxes and repair elements will probably now outlive me. But even if the platform ever became unworkable, the technology and marketplace has now evolved to the point where there are now plenty of escape rafts. Unlike in 2005, in today's era of 4k video streams, storing and streaming even uncompressed high definition audio files around in most homes is now incidental. The only thing irreplaceable is one's personal music library.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeSue View Post
    Iíve been enjoying the hands free experience with Amazon Echo. Mostly I use Echo for Pandora and Squeezebox for my music library (since Iím not as likely to be skipping unwanted tracks with my owned music). Itís nice to just say, "I donít like this song," and have it instantly banished from my station without having to find a remote, reach for the front panel, or dig out my phone.

    I've been tempted to switch to Spotify so I can have one on-demand music service that works with both, but I am still holding out with Napster and hoping for an Echo integration.

    My two two main gripes with Alexa for music, though, is with volume control. The lowest volume for music is still too loud if you just want low background music while having a conversation, and then if you leave it low for music, itís not loud enough for other things like hearing the weather or whatever. Also there is no replay gain which really bugs me. And itís annoying to interrupt the music every time you ask Alexa for something.

    But it if I had to do without Squeezebox, I could get by with Amazon Echo.
    My biggest gripe with Alexa is no REPLAY GAIN. Why cannot Amazon implement that?

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