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    How to organize internet radio streams?

    I would like to organize my internet radio streams by grouping them in folders. Something like:

    Radio 1
    Radio 2
    Radio 3
    Radio 4
    <folder favorites user 1>
    User 1 Favorite 1
    User 1 Favorite 2
    Etc.
    <folder favorites user 2>
    User 2 Favorite 1
    User 2 Favorite 2
    <theme 1>
    Theme 1 favorite 1
    Etc.
    Etc.

    Also:
    - how do I get rid of the standard structure?
    - how do I get a list of local stations directly, without first having to click on my city first?

    Thanks in advance for the lhelp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Videopac View Post
    I would like to organize my internet radio streams by grouping them in folders. Something like:

    Radio 1
    Radio 2
    Radio 3
    Radio 4
    <folder favorites user 1>
    User 1 Favorite 1
    User 1 Favorite 2
    Etc.
    <folder favorites user 2>
    User 2 Favorite 1
    User 2 Favorite 2
    <theme 1>
    Theme 1 favorite 1
    Etc.
    Etc.

    Also:
    - how do I get rid of the standard structure?
    - how do I get a list of local stations directly, without first having to click on my city first?

    Thanks in advance for the lhelp.
    1, Click on the pencil icon alongside favourites, this puts you in edit mode, you can drag & drop to re-arrange, make new folders, ect..
    I have a folder for all BBC radio stations.

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    2, Make your local town a favourite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidstypike View Post
    1, Click on the pencil icon alongside favourites, this puts you in edit mode, you can drag & drop to re-arrange, make new folders, ect..
    I have a folder for all BBC radio stations.

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    2, Make your local town a favourite.

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    Thank you. I have organized my favorites now.
    The only thing I noticed is that the radiotime.com (TuneIn?) URL's do show images during listening, but the direct URL's don't.
    Is this normal behaviour?

    I used the direct URL's of the internet radio stations as I don't want to rely on TuneIn, MySqueezebox or other instances that have a risk of unavailability and do collect my behaviour data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Videopac View Post
    Thank you. I have organized my favorites now.
    The only thing I noticed is that the radiotime.com (TuneIn?) URL's do show images during listening, but the direct URL's don't.
    Is this normal behaviour/
    When you save a favorite the station URL, an associated image URL is not saved as image URLs and station URLS have no relationship.

    I used the direct URL's of the internet radio stations as I don't want to rely on TuneIn, MySqueezebox or other instances that have a risk of unavailability and do collect my behaviour data.
    Playing a station through Tune-in often provides additional metadata and image

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpa View Post
    When you save a favorite the station URL, an associated image URL is not saved as image URLs and station URLS have no relationship.


    Playing a station through Tune-in often provides additional metadata and image
    Thanks for clarifying.
    It seems unlikely to me that TuneIn collects that metadata and images themselves.
    When I listen to NPO Radio 4 (Dutch), for example, I get an image of the presenters and information on the music currently playing. The image changes everytime the program changes (every 1-2 hours mostly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Videopac View Post
    It seems unlikely to me that TuneIn collects that metadata and images themselves.
    They do, actually.

    As for a direct stream URL favorite, if you find a suitable image on the web you could edit the favorites.opml file in the LMS Prefs directory and change the icon URL for the station.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Videopac View Post
    Thanks for clarifying.
    It seems unlikely to me that TuneIn collects that metadata and images themselves.
    When I listen to NPO Radio 4 (Dutch), for example, I get an image of the presenters and information on the music currently playing. The image changes everytime the program changes (every 1-2 hours mostly).
    Tune-in DOES collect and supply some image and metadata - it is one of the reasons to use a Tune-in URL.

    Metadata can be provided in-stream using the ICY protocol which LMS understands.

    When you see the image change is this on LMS or a Web page ? If it is Web page then there is a separate metadata data stream in operation to encourage users to use station's Web site and see ads etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpa View Post
    Tune-in DOES collect and supply some image and metadata - it is one of the reasons to use a Tune-in URL.

    Metadata can be provided in-stream using the ICY protocol which LMS understands.

    When you see the image change is this on LMS or a Web page ? If it is Web page then there is a separate metadata data stream in operation to encourage users to use station's Web site and see ads etc.
    It is on the display of my Touch and in the Squeezepad app, for example.
    And I don't know if it is relevant but I have adblock app active in my wifi-router (LEDE firmware), kind of integrated Pi-Hole addblocker.
    2x Touch, working on a Odroid-C2/Soekris-DAC/Hypex-Ncore all-in-one solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Videopac View Post
    It is on the display of my Touch and in the Squeezepad app, for example.
    And I don't know if it is relevant but I have adblock app active in my wifi-router (LEDE firmware), kind of integrated Pi-Hole addblocker.
    Not clear what you mean.

    If you play a Tune-In stream - the LMS handling will display any metadata provided by Tune-in for that radio station - IIRC this mnetadata is not in the station URL but provided in a separate mechanism.
    If you play an URL for a station saved as a Favorite - LMS will display any metadata that is included with the audio data that has been insterrted by the station using the ICY protocol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpa View Post
    Not clear what you mean.

    If you play a Tune-In stream - the LMS handling will display any metadata provided by Tune-in for that radio station - IIRC this mnetadata is not in the station URL but provided in a separate mechanism.
    If you play an URL for a station saved as a Favorite - LMS will display any metadata that is included with the audio data that has been insterrted by the station using the ICY protocol.
    Indeed, TuneIn adds additional information to the stream which the direct stream doesn't (or isn't handled by LMS).

    However, ideally I would like to bypass TuneIn: There is always a risk of unavailability and I try to reduce the amount of data I provide to data collectors (what is the business model of TuneIn?).
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