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    Actually it's pure physics. If you push one speaker in carefully in a unit that has no power connected, the other will pop out nearly the same amount. It's an air-tight enclosure where the bass woofers are the only moving parts connecting the inside of the case to the surrounding air.
    This also means, if one bass moves, e.g. from my sample that plays a frequency just on one side, the other base is passively moving along with that. And thereby causing sound, even though it is not driven by anything but the vacuum and pressure generated by the bass on the other side. That makes it impossible to check both speakers separately unless the case with its air-tight seal is opened.
    A "mono" bass where both channels are exactly in phase might cancel itself out because both speakers try to push simultaneously out which creates a stronger internal vacuum, and pull in simultaneously creates the respective amount of pressure. This makes bass movement considerably hard. That's where they do some DSP trickery, I think. Putting the bass just a little out of phase on one side might resolve this for good, without a noticeable effect on what your ears perceive.
    All this might be completely wrong but if it isn't, it makes the Boom a true engineering marvel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMuc2009 View Post
    Actually it's pure physics. If you push one speaker in carefully in a unit that has no power connected, the other will pop out nearly the same amount. It's an air-tight enclosure where the bass woofers are the only moving parts connecting the inside of the case to the surrounding air.
    This also means, if one bass moves, e.g. from my sample that plays a frequency just on one side, the other base is passively moving along with that. And thereby causing sound, even though it is not driven by anything but the vacuum and pressure generated by the bass on the other side. That makes it impossible to check both speakers separately as long as the case with its air-tight seal is opened.
    A "mono" bass where both channels are exactly in phase might cancel itself out because both speakers try to push simultaneously out which creates a stronger internal vacuum, and pull in simultaneously creates the respective amount of pressure. This makes bass movement considerably hard. That's where they do some DSP trickery, I think. Putting the bass just a little out of phase on one side might resolve this for good, without a noticeable effect on what your ears perceive.
    All this might be completely wrong but if it isn't, it makes the Boom a true engineering marvel.
    Have you seen this?

    http://wiki.slimdevices.com/uploads/...dio_Design.pdf

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    wow, no, never got this as a complete document. Great, thank you!


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    I've seen this before, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if they push the low frequencies into mono and drive both speakers with it. The point of the DSP design is to maximise low frequency output and in a box this small no-one is ever going to get a sense of stereo separation below about 100hz.



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    OK now I understand why the sound is so bad on my Boom !
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    Distorted bass on the left but no visual damage

    Hi,

    I just suffered from the distorted bass on the left woofer, I've opened up the boom as I've seen the comments on the deteriorating glue on the speaker rings.
    However there is nothing noticeable on the speakers, they look like mint condition, i cannot spot any tear after thorough inspection.

    Could it be an electronic component or is there anything else I could try?
    Mid and high tones are perfect.

    Thanks

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    Is Boom speaker deterioration inevitable ?

    I don't think it's deteriorating glue that attaches the speakers but
    rather deterioration of the speaker surrounds themselves - the material
    that supports the cones themselves.

    http://joes-tech-blog.blogspot.com/2...adio-bass.html

    Joe does this work and he has low frequency files to test your speakers on
    that page.

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    On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Neusdoorn <
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    > Hi,
    >
    > I just suffered from the distorted bass on the left woofer, I've opened
    > up the boom as I've seen the comments on the deteriorating glue on the
    > speaker rings.
    > However there is nothing noticeable on the speakers, they look like mint
    > condition, i cannot spot any tear after thorough inspection.
    >
    > Could it be an electronic component or is there anything else I could
    > try?
    > Mid and high tones are perfect.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neusdoorn View Post
    Hi,

    I just suffered from the distorted bass on the left woofer, I've opened up the boom as I've seen the comments on the deteriorating glue on the speaker rings.
    However there is nothing noticeable on the speakers, they look like mint condition, i cannot spot any tear after thorough inspection.

    Could it be an electronic component or is there anything else I could try?
    Mid and high tones are perfect.

    Thanks
    The tearing of the bass surround is not always visible unless you disassemble the Boom to free the woofer chassis (which you will have to do anyway to repair it).
    See here for advice: http://joes-tech-blog.blogspot.com/2...adio-bass.html


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