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    Replacing Squeezebox Touch by Pi3, worth it?

    Hi All,
    Here is my story: couple months ago I decided to see if I could get a better sound quality than my beloved Squeezebox Touch by building a player with a Raspberry Pi3 + 7" touchscreen + Luckit WaveIo card all connected to my Chord Qute Ex DAC.

    I tried with Volumio first: nice looking UI but not as practical and user friendly as LMS + sound quality was not as good as the SBT.

    I finally tried with MoOde, same audio quality as the SBT, not better, and UI not as good as LMS + no Spotify plugin.

    So now my question is, did I waist my money by buying this new kit or would this kit be better than my current Squeezebox if I put LMS on it???

    I can't really understand how is it possible that my 10 years old SBT sounds better or at least as good as the latest technology player.

    Thanks

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    hi sdiesel77,

    It is a bit hard to say anything with 100% certainty because there are so many variables with a RPi solution and everyone has their own opinion.

    Generally, I find my RPi solutions are comparable to my SB Touch. I think the Transporter is a little better. I happened to try a Duet Controller (not the Receiver) a couple of weeks ago as a playback unit and it was also very good.

    regards
    Greg

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    Thx Greg, so according to you, the fact that the Pi3 is more recent/powerful than the SBT wouldn't have any impact on the sound quality? Very possible... But annoying
    The other question would be, is there any advantage for me to replace my SBT by the Pi3 kit with LMS on it?
    Last edited by sdiesel77; 2018-03-02 at 17:32.

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    Moving your LMS won't effect sound quality one jot. Sound quality is a function of source material and your DAC and subsequent analogue playback chain. And in most cases DACs are pretty transparent. Not that they don't sound a little different, they can, but from a technical quality pov they are more or less equally good.


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    While the sound is unlikely to be different, the RPi plus DAC plus touch screen plus case plus power supply competes very well with the price of a Touch - I think that is the improvement over the years.


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    You are connecting to an external DAC so you should not expect any SQ diffrences.
    Your new kit may have native support for higher resolutions over spdiff so these need not to be transcoded to 24/96 for the Touch benefit . Saving you some cpu power . Sq is the same .
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    I've been testing sound quality with the RPi with a HiFiBerry DAC+ (Burr-Brown DAC) verses a SBT. With each going through a Schiit Vali 2 headphone amp (via RCA cables), the sound quality is noticeably better on the RPi/HiFiBerry. I also have a 7" touch screen on the pi, so it is as user friendly as the Touch. But I still prefer the compact size and look of the SBT.

    I've been considering another option and that is to use the SBT's optical or coaxial digital out ports and going to an external DAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjp888 View Post
    I've been testing sound quality with the RPi with a HiFiBerry DAC+ (Burr-Brown DAC) verses a SBT. With each going through a Schiit Vali 2 headphone amp (via RCA cables), the sound quality is noticeably better on the RPi/HiFiBerry. I also have a 7" touch screen on the pi, so it is as user friendly as the Touch. But I still prefer the compact size and look of the SBT.

    I've been considering another option and that is to use the SBT's optical or coaxial digital out ports and going to an external DAC.
    Currently my SBT is connected to my amp via Coax to a Chord Qute Ex DAC

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdiesel77 View Post
    Currently my SBT is connected to my amp via Coax to a Chord Qute Ex DAC
    What's your opinion? Are you happy with the sound of the Qute and SBT?

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    It's not bad at all. But I tried couple of weeks ago with a laptop as a source and it was clearly better! Hence my wish to upgrade the SBT by something newer. This is why I started this new Pi3 project.
    So far, not really successful...

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