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    DSTM/MusicIP Question

    Hi,
    I use DSTM with the MusicIP option. The way I tend to listen is to "seed" DSTM/MusicIP with a single track (eg. a single Miles Davis track sets up a Jazz playlist, a Bob Marley track sets up a Reggae playlist etc..). This works well in almost all scenarios except one...

    I have about 20 Johnny Cash albums all under the genre "Country". I have no other "Country" artists. The problem I encounter is seeding DSTM/MusicIP with a Johnny Cash track plays a single Johnny Cash track but then goes onto random song mix (ie. any genre/artist). I think DTSM and MusicIP are doing what they should given the settings (and the problem is there is only one artist in the selected genre - therefore MusicIP doesn't return a Mix and DSTM defaults to Songmix).

    In the above scenario, I would prefer DTSM to default to Songmix (limited to current genre). This would then effectively shuffle the seed artist (without having to change configs).

    Is that possible, or are there any suggestions as to how better configure to cope with this scenario?

    Hope that makes sense, thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by staresy View Post
    Hi,
    I use DSTM with the MusicIP option. The way I tend to listen is to "seed" DSTM/MusicIP with a single track (eg. a single Miles Davis track sets up a Jazz playlist, a Bob Marley track sets up a Reggae playlist etc..). This works well in almost all scenarios except one...

    I have about 20 Johnny Cash albums all under the genre "Country". I have no other "Country" artists. The problem I encounter is seeding DSTM/MusicIP with a Johnny Cash track plays a single Johnny Cash track but then goes onto random song mix (ie. any genre/artist). I think DTSM and MusicIP are doing what they should given the settings (and the problem is there is only one artist in the selected genre - therefore MusicIP doesn't return a Mix and DSTM defaults to Songmix).

    In the above scenario, I would prefer DTSM to default to Songmix (limited to current genre). This would then effectively shuffle the seed artist (without having to change configs).

    Is that possible, or are there any suggestions as to how better configure to cope with this scenario?

    Hope that makes sense, thanks in advance.
    Try experimenting with the MusicIP settings. Mix style, mix variety and restrict genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slartibartfast View Post
    Try experimenting with the MusicIP settings. Mix style, mix variety and restrict genre.

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    The mix settings make no difference. After a bit of experimenting, it seems to be an issue with MusiIP and having just a single artist in a genre.

    Changing the artist names on a few of my Johnny Cash albums to something else resolves the issue and MusicIP returns sensible mixes. I might post this in the MusicIP thread, or I might just buy a few different "Country" CDs from different artists to mix it up a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by staresy View Post
    The mix settings make no difference. After a bit of experimenting, it seems to be an issue with MusiIP and having just a single artist in a genre.

    Changing the artist names on a few of my Johnny Cash albums to something else resolves the issue and MusicIP returns sensible mixes. I might post this in the MusicIP thread, or I might just buy a few different "Country" CDs from different artists to mix it up a bit.
    So even turning off restrict genre makes no difference? I'll never understand how Music IP makes decisions

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    @!staresy Could you not just select the Cash album and set it to random play?
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    Quote Originally Posted by staresy View Post
    The mix settings make no difference. After a bit of experimenting, it seems to be an issue with MusicIP and having just a single artist in a genre.

    Changing the artist names on a few of my Johnny Cash albums to something else resolves the issue and MusicIP returns sensible mixes. I might post this in the MusicIP thread, or I might just buy a few different "Country" CDs from different artists to mix it up a bit.
    If you're not actively limiting to the seed track genre MusicIP is genre-agnostic, it will return anything that sounds similar according to the acoustic analysis. MusicIP by default doesn't use any tag info for generating its mixes, only its own database (default.m3lib file)
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    Michael,

    do you think you could add Erland's DynamicPlaylist plugin to the list of mix plugins that DSTM watches out for?


    Right now I think DSTM starts to load new tracks when the penultimate playlist track has started. The time that different mixers require to come up with the next batch of DSTM tracks varies, depending on hardware, what the mixer plugin does and such.
    Sometimes I wish I could set DSTM to load tracks earlier (like "5 tracks before the last one") to allow for slower response times or quick serial-skipping. A pref setting for that would be great imho. Thank you.

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    New in 7.9: "Don't Stop The Music"

    > do you think you could add Erland's *DynamicPlaylist* plugin to the
    > 'list of mix plugins that DSTM watches out for'


    Can you say what class and property name to look for? When does
    DynamicPlaylist kick in? How do they conflict? I'm surprised this only
    comes up now, as DSTM has been out for quite a while already.

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    [QUOTE=afriend;1026514]Michael,

    do you think you could add Erland's DynamicPlaylist plugin to the list of mix plugins that DSTM watches out for?

    Please pardon this (very likely irrelevant) comment from a non-developer. I trust you are aware that a Dynamic Playlist mix that has been saved as a favorite can be used by DSTM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mherger View Post
    > do you think you could add Erland's *DynamicPlaylist* plugin to the
    > 'list of mix plugins that DSTM watches out for'


    Can you say what class and property name to look for? When does
    DynamicPlaylist kick in? How do they conflict? I'm surprised this only
    comes up now, as DSTM has been out for quite a while already.
    So I'm not @erland who would be the one qualified to answer those questions but my guess, maybe line 416/7:
    Code:
    	if(defined($mixInfo{$masterClient}->{'type'})) {
    		my $playlist = getPlayList($client,$mixInfo{$masterClient}->{'type'});
    If type returns "disabled" then DPL is not active?

    For me DPL behaves in many regards much like RandomPlay, except for DSTM: when I start a RandomPlay mix and skip to the penultimate track, DSTM doesn't take over. When I start a DPL mix and skip to the penultimate track DSTM takes over and adds tracks.
    It probably hasn't come up before because DSTM kicks in at the penultimate track while (I think) the default DPL settings add tracks earlier. So unless you skip very fast or change the default DPL settings you probably won't notice this.

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