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Thread: LMS 7.9 and DSD

  1. #391
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    Native DSD on SOtM sMS-200's Squeezelite working with Brooklyn DAC+

    Jeeho, at SOtM fixed the problem in record time in an alpha version of the firmware I just finished testing!

    Now I can play DSF files using DoP or Native DSD mode with the Logitech Media Server connected to the sMS-200ultra's Squeezelite player.

    I tested:
    1) DSF x64 and x128 DoP using the DSDPlayer plugin
    2) DSF x64, x128 and x256 Native

    all working very well with my Brooklyn DAC+!

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    I've read everything I can find on playing DSD on LMS and have a question.

    My setup:
    Synology DS918+
    - Wi-Fi -
    Squeezebox Touch
    - USB -
    Topping DX7s DAC

    LMS Info:
    Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.2 - 0011.1527861596 @ Fri Jun 1 16:21:00 CEST 2018
    Hostname: A_NAS_Server
    Server IP Address: 192.168.1.76
    Server HTTP Port Number: 9002
    Operating system: Synology DiskStation - EN - utf8
    Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux
    Perl Version: 5.24.0 - x86_64-linux
    Audio::Scan: 0.95
    IO::Socket::SSL: 2.037
    Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1)
    Total Players Recognized: 1

    DSDPlayer (v1.0) installed:
    Enable DSD-over-PCM is checked
    Soxr Quality: Very High Quality
    Soxr Filter: Intermediate Phase
    Soxr Steep Filter: Soxr Steep Filter

    Squeezebox Touch info:
    Version: 7.8.0 r16754
    EDO installed

    My system plays up to 24 bit 192kHz FLAC files without issue.

    I have several DSF files from different sources. The all play fine when the Topping DX7s is plugged into my PC.

    I get this error when I try to play the DSF files on the Touch:
    Problem: Can't open file for: SONG TITLE

    If I convert the files using foobar2000 to 24 bit 176.4kHz FLAC using the Super Audio CD Decoder (foo_input_packeddsd) they play fine. The Topping DX7s correctly reports them as 2.82MHz DSD files.

    Finally, my question: Must I convert all my DSF files to play them on my Squeezebox Touch?

    Thanks,
    Martin

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhconley View Post
    I've read everything I can find on playing DSD on LMS and have a question.

    My setup:
    Synology DS918+
    - Wi-Fi -
    Squeezebox Touch
    - USB -
    Topping DX7s DAC

    LMS Info:
    Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.2 - 0011.1527861596 @ Fri Jun 1 16:21:00 CEST 2018
    Hostname: A_NAS_Server
    Server IP Address: 192.168.1.76
    Server HTTP Port Number: 9002
    Operating system: Synology DiskStation - EN - utf8
    Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux
    Perl Version: 5.24.0 - x86_64-linux
    Audio::Scan: 0.95
    IO::Socket::SSL: 2.037
    Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1)
    Total Players Recognized: 1

    DSDPlayer (v1.0) installed:
    Enable DSD-over-PCM is checked
    Soxr Quality: Very High Quality
    Soxr Filter: Intermediate Phase
    Soxr Steep Filter: Soxr Steep Filter

    Squeezebox Touch info:
    Version: 7.8.0 r16754
    EDO installed

    My system plays up to 24 bit 192kHz FLAC files without issue.

    I have several DSF files from different sources. The all play fine when the Topping DX7s is plugged into my PC.

    I get this error when I try to play the DSF files on the Touch:
    Problem: Can't open file for: SONG TITLE

    If I convert the files using foobar2000 to 24 bit 176.4kHz FLAC using the Super Audio CD Decoder (foo_input_packeddsd) they play fine. The Topping DX7s correctly reports them as 2.82MHz DSD files.

    Finally, my question: Must I convert all my DSF files to play them on my Squeezebox Touch?

    Thanks,
    Martin
    With DSD_PLAY plugin installed it should work, converting everything to PCM. Probably you should check FYLE TYPE conversion settings for DFS. C-3PO plugin could do the same plus some additional processing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcoc1712 View Post
    With DSD_PLAY plugin installed it should work, converting everything to PCM. Probably you should check FYLE TYPE conversion settings for DFS. C-3PO plugin could do the same plus some additional processing.
    Are you saying the DSF files should play?

    Here are the relevant file type settings:
    DFF
    DFF Native
    FLAC dsdplay

    DSF
    DSF Native
    FLAC dsdplay

    FLAC
    AIFF flac
    FLAC Native
    MP3 flac/lame
    PCM flac

    Any suggestions?

    Thanks,
    Martin
    Last edited by mhconley; 2018-07-02 at 07:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhconley View Post
    Are you saying the DSF files should play?

    Here are the relevant file type settings:
    DFF
    DFF Native
    FLAC dsdplay

    DSF
    DSF Native
    FLAC dsdplay

    FLAC
    AIFF flac
    FLAC Native
    MP3 flac/lame
    PCM flac

    Any suggestions?

    Thanks,
    Martin
    Is that Daphile?

    Daphile has it's own transcoding, looks strange to me DFF/DSF Native with a real SB (it's allowed only with squeezelite), but is so, better ask to Kimmo.
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    sorry,I answered twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcoc1712 View Post
    Is that Daphile?

    Daphile has it's own transcoding, looks strange to me DFF/DSF Native with a real SB (it's allowed only with squeezelite), but is so, better ask to Kimmo.
    Yes, Daphile, Triode DSDPlayer.

    I tried C-3PO but it did not change the DFF or DSF settings nor allow additional options.

    The only choices for DFF and DSF are Native or Disabled.

    So back to my main question:
    Will the Squeezebox Touch play DSF files or do I need to use foobar2000 to put them in a FLAC container?

    Thanks,
    Martin
    Last edited by mhconley; 2018-07-02 at 09:16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhconley View Post
    Yes, Daphile, Triode DSDPlayer.

    I tried C-3PO but it did not change the DFF or DSF settings nor allow additional options.Martin
    If from inside Daphile, you should before DISABLE "Native" in file types.

    Quote Originally Posted by mhconley View Post
    The only choices for DFF and DSF are Native or Disabled.
    That's correct, you shouuld DISABLE native and enable DxF/FLAC (for real SB) using DSDPLAY or C-3PO, This is automatic in LMS, probably Daphlile is making something weird here.


    Quote Originally Posted by mhconley View Post
    So back to my main question:
    Will the Squeezebox Touch play DSF files or do I need to use foobar2000 to put them in a FLAC container?.


    The answer is YES, if using LMS and DSDPLAY, C-3PO or (rigth) custom-convert,conf commands.

    It should be YES also using Daphile, BUT not with native AND real squeezebox.

    This is the problem you are facing: no matter what tool you try to use, real SB could not play 'native' DSD, you should disable that choice, then use whatever you like to inform LMS what transcoding you like to apply.

    Quote Originally Posted by mhconley View Post
    Thanks,
    Martin
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcoc1712 View Post
    If from inside Daphile, you should before DISABLE "Native" in file types.

    That's correct, you shouuld DISABLE native and enable DxF/FLAC (for real SB) using DSDPLAY or C-3PO, This is automatic in LMS, probably Daphlile is making something weird here.

    The answer is YES, if using LMS and DSDPLAY, C-3PO or (rigth) custom-convert,conf commands.

    It should be YES also using Daphile, BUT not with native AND real squeezebox.

    This is the problem you are facing: no matter what tool you try to use, real SB could not play 'native' DSD, you should disable that choice, then use whatever you like to inform LMS what transcoding you like to apply.
    Thanks for the help... I'd like to play DSF files without having to wrap them in a FLAC container. Looks like I'm going to build a Raspberry Pi based PiCorePlayer. I'd like to keep my Squeezebox Touch but only if someone can get it to play DSF.

    Martin
    Last edited by mhconley; 2018-07-02 at 18:55.

  10. #400

    Sorry... but where are we with native 2 channel DSD?

    Hi,

    I'm very sorry, this is a very long thread and I don't know where to look.

    I'm very happy with an older version of Squeezelite, but DSD is only via DoP, which is limited in bandwidth.

    I'm wondering if Squeezelite now supports DSD natively, and if so at what version this started?

    Thank you,

    Erik

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