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  • Originally posted by Stratmangler
    My DAC is a M2Tech Evo, and it will only handle 24/192 over coax too.
    The best I've managed over optical is 24/96, but I'm not sure if the limiting part is the optical out from the Touch or the optical in on the DAC.
    I suspect that it's the Touch - why put in a faster pulsing optical unit when the unit is designed to handle 24/96?
    On my system the limitation is definitely the optical input on my M1-CL1C (stated in the manual to only support 24/96)

    Using my Vortexbox Appliance, Squeezelite and a Meridian Explorer USB DAC with optical output, I have sent 24/192 PCM over optical to a Marantz M-CR603, at least that's what the squeezelite log says. The Marantz manual doesn't say what it will support over optical, and doesn't have a display saying what it is receiving, but the Meridian DAC says it is processing 24/192, and it all seems to work.

    I don't know why the Touch would be limited on optical out - maybe others will know.
    LMS 8.1 on PC, Xubuntu 20.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. 2 Touches & EDO.
    LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers.
    Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.
    Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.
    Wireless Xubuntu 20.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android mobile with Squeeze-Ctrl/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.

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    • Originally posted by PasTim
      On my system the limitation is definitely the optical input on my M1-CL1C (stated in the manual to only support 24/96)

      Using my Vortexbox Appliance, Squeezelite and a Meridian Explorer USB DAC with optical output, I have sent 24/192 PCM over optical to a Marantz M-CR603, at least that's what the squeezelite log says. The Marantz manual doesn't say what it will support over optical, and doesn't have a display saying what it is receiving, but the Meridian DAC says it is processing 24/192, and it all seems to work.

      I don't know why the Touch would be limited on optical out - maybe others will know.
      It's the speed of the optical send unit - it ain't fast enough.
      The original spec for the Touch was 24/96 files max.
      EDO is not an officially supported plugin, and without EDO the Touch doesn't do 24/192 natively.
      Chris :)

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      • Originally posted by Stratmangler
        It's the speed of the optical send unit - it ain't fast enough.
        The original spec for the Touch was 24/96 files max.
        EDO is not an officially supported plugin, and without EDO the Touch doesn't do 24/192 natively.
        Fair enough, but since the original problem was with a V-DAC II optical input, and the spec for that is quite explicit about only supporting 24/96, it really doesn't matter to Riplee whether the Touch can do it or not with EDO.
        LMS 8.1 on PC, Xubuntu 20.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. 2 Touches & EDO.
        LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers.
        Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.
        Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.
        Wireless Xubuntu 20.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android mobile with Squeeze-Ctrl/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.

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        • Originally posted by Riplee
          .. but I must say...the settings in the LMS under File Types is a bit confusing...perhaps someone can tell me exactly how that should be set to send FALC and not wav...just to be sure.
          Any input appreciated!!

          Riplee
          Assuming your files are all in FLAC format, go to the File Types entry for FLAC. This shows

          Code:
          AIFF
          FLAC
          MP3
          PCM
          To send data in FLAC format, requiring decompression on the Touch, set all to 'disabled' except FLAC, which should be set to 'native'.

          To send WAV (PCM), set all to 'disabled' except PCM, which should be set to 'flac'. A flax.exe (or similar) process will then run on the LMS server converting all FLACs to PCM and sending them out in that format.

          (If I've got this wrong I'm sure someone will tell me )
          LMS 8.1 on PC, Xubuntu 20.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. 2 Touches & EDO.
          LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers.
          Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.
          Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.
          Wireless Xubuntu 20.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android mobile with Squeeze-Ctrl/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.

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          • Originally posted by PasTim
            Assuming your files are all in FLAC format, go to the File Types entry for FLAC. This shows

            Code:
            AIFF
            FLAC
            MP3
            PCM
            To send data in FLAC format, requiring decompression on the Touch, set all to 'disabled' except FLAC, which should be set to 'native'.

            To send WAV (PCM), set all to 'disabled' except PCM, which should be set to 'flac'. A flax.exe (or similar) process will then run on the LMS server converting all FLACs to PCM and sending them out in that format.

            (If I've got this wrong I'm sure someone will tell me )
            I think this works, but the default settings (which is what I use) will always play FLAC as native to every player. My settings (default) are;

            FLAC file category:

            AIFF - FLAC
            FLAC - native
            mp3 - flac/lame
            pcm - flac
            Home: Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.2.x/4TB>LMS 8.3.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet)
            Cottage: rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.2.x/4TB>LMS 8.3.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI)
            Office: Win11(64)>foobar2000
            The Wild: rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite)
            Controllers: iPhone14Pro & iPadAir5 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64)
            Files: Ripping: dBpoweramp > FLAC; Post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; Streaming: Spotify

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            • Thank You everyone for the info. I guess I should have looked into this more before asking, but I now know more about this than I did last night. I just found this: "The V-DAC II inputs include Coax (24/192), Toslink (24/96) and Asynchronous USB (24/96)"

              The info on setting the LMS correctly is helpful, no doubt. Well...now I need to consider if getting anew DAC is worth it...I vote Yes, but the wife may not.

              Thanks Again!

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              • I've installed LMS 7.7.3 and now my Touch, which has the EDO firmware installed, is trying to update its firmware. Any way I can stop this happening, or update EDO to avoid it?

                Tim

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                • Originally posted by onlyconnect
                  I've installed LMS 7.7.3 and now my Touch, which has the EDO firmware installed, is trying to update its firmware. Any way I can stop this happening, or update EDO to avoid it?

                  Tim
                  why not let it update the firmware? Shouldn't cause any problem with EDO. EDO works with 7.8 as well. In your Touch, you may need to go into Applets and tick reinstall on them (or better yet, I always tick the box for auto reinstall of applets)
                  Home: Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.2.x/4TB>LMS 8.3.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet)
                  Cottage: rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.2.x/4TB>LMS 8.3.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI)
                  Office: Win11(64)>foobar2000
                  The Wild: rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite)
                  Controllers: iPhone14Pro & iPadAir5 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64)
                  Files: Ripping: dBpoweramp > FLAC; Post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; Streaming: Spotify

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                  • Originally posted by onlyconnect
                    I've installed LMS 7.7.3 and now my Touch, which has the EDO firmware installed, is trying to update its firmware. Any way I can stop this happening, or update EDO to avoid it?

                    Tim
                    If you stop the automatic server updates (Settings, Advanced, Software Updates) the automatic Touch updates should stop as well, if that's what you want. As has been said, the EDO Kernel should be OK with automatic LMS updates.
                    LMS 8.1 on PC, Xubuntu 20.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. 2 Touches & EDO.
                    LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers.
                    Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.
                    Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.
                    Wireless Xubuntu 20.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android mobile with Squeeze-Ctrl/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.

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                    • Originally posted by PasTim
                      If you stop the automatic server updates (Settings, Advanced, Software Updates) the automatic Touch updates should stop as well, if that's what you want. As has been said, the EDO Kernel should be OK with automatic LMS updates.
                      Thanks both. I've updated the firmware and reinstalled both Kernel updater and EDO applets, reinstalled Kernel #12 (which works with my Teac DAC) and all is well.

                      Tim

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                      • Audio-dg NFB 1.32 USB 32

                        Hi -- I recently acquired this DAC, (replaced my Rega DAC). I'm using EDO and trying out the USB option. However I need to use a powered USB hub for the SBT to see the AGD DAC. I was of the impression that a hub is not required. Anyone have any experience with Audio-gd and EDO for USB out?

                        LMS 7.7.3
                        AGD Firmware #9-3
                        VIA VT1731

                        Many thanks.

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                        • I have updated LMS to 7.7.3. After the SB firmware update I have reinstalled EDO, but it didn't bring up the output selector screen, and didn't work (no splash screen warning, and no 192k). I tried uninstalling EDO and installing it back from scratch, but no luck either. What could I do now to get it back working?

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                          • SBT + EDO. Problem switching resolutions wit Benchmark DAC2 D

                            Got a Benchmark DAC2 D yesterday. I'm delighted with the sound quality but I seem to have a most annoying problem. When switching from a 16/44 to a 24/96 track or vice versa, the new track plays horribly distorted. Sometimes re-engaging USB 2.0 from the benchmark remote cures the problem. Most of the time it does not. Usually a reboot of the SBT does.

                            Im using USB from a Logitech Squeezebox with EDO.

                            TIA for any advice.

                            Regards,

                            Guido F.
                            Music Room:
                            Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>ART ADC>Vinyl Studio
                            CISCO Router>DLink Bridge>Vortexbox Appliance/Squeezelite>SOtM Card>REGEN>Benchmark DAC2 D>Little Dot Mk 9 Preamp>DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PS>Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp> Martin Logan SL3 speakers
                            REL T1 Sub
                            Bedroom:
                            Squeezebox Touch (analog out)>Little Dot Mk III amp>AKG K701 headphones
                            Sony D100 amp>PSB alpha B1 speakers
                            Treadmill:
                            FiiO X3 Digital Music Player>AKG K550 headphones

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                            • Originally posted by guidof
                              Got a Benchmark DAC2 D yesterday. I'm delighted with the sound quality but I seem to have a most annoying problem. When switching from a 16/44 to a 24/96 track or vice versa, the new track plays horribly distorted. Sometimes re-engaging USB 2.0 from the benchmark remote cures the problem. Most of the time it does not. Usually a reboot of the SBT does.

                              Im using USB from a Logitech Squeezebox with EDO.

                              TIA for any advice.

                              Regards,

                              Guido F.
                              as a test, does it also do this when switching from 16/44 to 24/96 using S/PDIF out of Touch (either with or without EDO installed).
                              Home: Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.2.x/4TB>LMS 8.3.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet)
                              Cottage: rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.2.x/4TB>LMS 8.3.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI)
                              Office: Win11(64)>foobar2000
                              The Wild: rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite)
                              Controllers: iPhone14Pro & iPadAir5 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64)
                              Files: Ripping: dBpoweramp > FLAC; Post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; Streaming: Spotify

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                              • Originally posted by garym
                                as a test, does it also do this when switching from 16/44 to 24/96 using S/PDIF out of Touch (either with or without EDO installed).
                                Thanks for your reply, garym. I have it on Toslink now *sans* EDO and it works just fine. Will try with EDO next and will report back. By the way, SQ is excellent (you may want to try it!).

                                Regards,

                                Guido F.
                                Music Room:
                                Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>ART ADC>Vinyl Studio
                                CISCO Router>DLink Bridge>Vortexbox Appliance/Squeezelite>SOtM Card>REGEN>Benchmark DAC2 D>Little Dot Mk 9 Preamp>DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PS>Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp> Martin Logan SL3 speakers
                                REL T1 Sub
                                Bedroom:
                                Squeezebox Touch (analog out)>Little Dot Mk III amp>AKG K701 headphones
                                Sony D100 amp>PSB alpha B1 speakers
                                Treadmill:
                                FiiO X3 Digital Music Player>AKG K550 headphones

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