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    Is Rebuffering the Death of the Squeezebox?

    Hi all,

    Posted here a few times and appreciate the community support and especially the dedication of Michael to keep these devices going.

    After losing ability to listen to podcasts through mysqueezebox.com due to https I began using LMS which does allow connection to my podcasts but with intermittent rebuffering and rebuffering failed. I've tried all recommended troubleshooting but can't eliminate the problem. My Wi-fi is at 100% connection, rebooted modem and router, set static IP address, tried VPN on and off and tried proxied streaming versus direct streaming among others.

    When working the SB Radio meets my needs absolutely perfectly. Listen to podcasts while falling asleep, use sleep timer and use alarm clock to wake up. Pretty basic use case. If you have any additional recommendations I'd be glad to try them. Ethernet connection is unfortunately not an option. If it's the end of the line for this great radio does anyone have recommendations for devices that would meet my simple use case?

    Thanks for all the help.

    #2
    Originally posted by Shadow View Post
    Ethernet connection is unfortunately not an option.
    If the issue is failing wifi hardware in the Radio and ethernet connection still works OK and you want to keep the radio then you could use a travel nano router in reverse AP/wireless bridge mode so that nanorouter connects to home Wifi and connects to Radio using Ethernet. Something like a TP-Link TL-WR802N or GL.iNet GL-MT300N-V2, there are many others - reverse AP/wireless bridge functionality is key.

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      #3
      I just fixed my re-buffering problems and flaky Wi-Fi. For some reason the SB Radio does not like having two Squeezebox servers running at the same time on different PC's. Worth checking there are no other instances of LMS alive. In my case I set up a new instance of LMS on a new PC and left the other instance running on a different network PC as a fall back. Result was the Radio Wi-Fi icon constantly changing between red and white and the players re-buffering. I can sit here now and switch on the second LMS and immediately see the problem. Stopping one server clears the issue.
      Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's
      Kitchen: Touch>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller
      Office: DAC32>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller
      Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer
      Bedroom: Radio
      Shed: Radio
      Workshop: Boom
      Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers
      Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers

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        #4
        Thanks for the response.

        I did have 2 instances of LSM running on 2 separate computers in the past but killed one of them a couple of days ago and it didn't fix the problem. I have 2 SB radios so today I'm going to switch them to see if the backup unit has the same rebufferng issue.

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          #5
          Stop the 2nd LMS, factory reset the Radio and try re-connecting to the only discovered server. During my testing I also connected using ethernet before reverting to Wi-Fi but not sure if that had an effect. Are you running LMS 8.0?
          Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's
          Kitchen: Touch>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller
          Office: DAC32>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller
          Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer
          Bedroom: Radio
          Shed: Radio
          Workshop: Boom
          Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers
          Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers

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            #6
            I'm running Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.2. Funny, when I check mysqueezebox.com the download there is 7.7.6.

            I'll try the factory reset route now that the second instance of LMS is shut down

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              #7
              Grace Digital Mondo+ Classic

              Well I finally gave up on the SB Radio after multiple rounds of rebuffering while trying to fall asleep. I received a new Grace Digital Mondo+ Classic today and it is everything that the SB Radio used to be plus much more. Has a wireless phone charger, USB connector and Chromecast support. It somehow found my NAS and stored music without me doing anything but connecting to my Wifi network.

              For anybody in my position who wants a bedside clock radio that plays podcasts and internet radio I highly recommend this product. The only negative I have is that it's quite a bit larger than the SB Radio.

              Now I have to figure out what to do with 2 SB Radios.

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                #8
                It's a pitty that the radio is not working for you, it really sounds like a network issue Esther at radio end or lms end (btw is the lms wired connected?)
                Anyway I would say, put them on sale and I'm sure you make someone happy.
                Btw what is your location?
                SqueezeBoxes: 1x Transporter (Living room) 1x SB2 (shed), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Study 2), few spare unit's (SB2, SB3, Boom, Touch)
                Server: LMS on Pi3B+ 8.1.2 on PcP 7.0.1
                Network: Draytek, Netgear Smart Switch 24p, Ubiquiti PoE, 3x Ubiquity

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                  #9
                  Not a Radio, but I've just had a Boom fail in this way. Fine for years on the same Wi-Fi system and then one day it started rebuffering periodically and eventually couldn't make it through a song. Absolutely nothing else changed for months, and no other players or devices on the same Wi-Fi network have an issue.

                  Before that, a few years back I had a similar issue when a Squeezebox 3 died in a slightly similar way (spontaneously rebooting during playback).

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                    #10
                    I know that the wifi modules sometimes fail, perhaps thats also the issue in this case?
                    SqueezeBoxes: 1x Transporter (Living room) 1x SB2 (shed), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Study 2), few spare unit's (SB2, SB3, Boom, Touch)
                    Server: LMS on Pi3B+ 8.1.2 on PcP 7.0.1
                    Network: Draytek, Netgear Smart Switch 24p, Ubiquiti PoE, 3x Ubiquity

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by edwin2006 View Post
                      I know that the wifi modules sometimes fail, perhaps thats also the issue in this case?
                      I think the wifi module of Radio is not easily replaced, unlike the wifi modules of the older SB players - SB2, SB3, Classic, Boom and transporter. For these older models, a failing wifi module causes rebooting and often later total failure. These Wifi modules can be removed and replaced easily in these models. For some models such as SB3 the Wifi module is optional (i.e. SB3 will work without the wifi modules). For some models such as Receiver, the wifi module must be present even if not used.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by bpa View Post
                        I think the wifi module of Radio is not easily replaced, unlike the wifi modules of the older SB players - SB2, SB3, Classic, Boom and transporter. For these older models, a failing wifi module causes rebooting and often later total failure. These Wifi modules can be removed and replaced easily in these models. For some models such as SB3 the Wifi module is optional (i.e. SB3 will work without the wifi modules). For some models such as Receiver, the wifi module must be present even if not used.
                        Thanks for clarification!
                        SqueezeBoxes: 1x Transporter (Living room) 1x SB2 (shed), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Study 2), few spare unit's (SB2, SB3, Boom, Touch)
                        Server: LMS on Pi3B+ 8.1.2 on PcP 7.0.1
                        Network: Draytek, Netgear Smart Switch 24p, Ubiquiti PoE, 3x Ubiquity

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                          #13
                          I'm pretty sure the rebuffering isn't a hardware issue since I have 2 SB Radios that exhibit the same problem and they both started around the same time. Did all the network troubleshooting I could but wasn't able to find a solution.

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                            #14
                            Still I'm convinced it is a network/configuration problem especially since both radio's have the same problem.
                            In the last 15 years of using squeezebox I have experienced the rebuffed problem twice.
                            One culprit appeared to be my wifi network that was not good enough. The other culprit was when I switched over to a pi for LMS and the pi lost connection to the music share because the file server had a configuration problem.
                            Since that is solved no problem what so ever with rebuffering.
                            SqueezeBoxes: 1x Transporter (Living room) 1x SB2 (shed), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Study 2), few spare unit's (SB2, SB3, Boom, Touch)
                            Server: LMS on Pi3B+ 8.1.2 on PcP 7.0.1
                            Network: Draytek, Netgear Smart Switch 24p, Ubiquiti PoE, 3x Ubiquity

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                              #15
                              Might not necessarily be a network problem ...

                              Originally posted by edwin2006 View Post
                              Still I'm convinced it is a network/configuration problem especially since both radio's have the same problem.
                              In the last 15 years of using squeezebox I have experienced the rebuffed problem twice.
                              One culprit appeared to be my wifi network that was not good enough. The other culprit was when I switched over to a pi for LMS and the pi lost connection to the music share because the file server had a configuration problem.
                              Since that is solved no problem what so ever with rebuffering.
                              I had just the same kind of problems suddenly appearing - on a fully wired network mind you - and the SB3 in question was doing the exact same thing: A couple of songs at most - Rebuffering - and then - nothing. I am a senior network admin now for 30+ years and I found no network issue at all (device stayed connected, no errors on the ethernet segments, no faulty port, nothing ...)

                              I took the unit apart, cleaned it, re-seated the WiFi board, removed the WiFi board, did both reset variants - nothing ...

                              Then I purchased a used SB touch - prob gone - in the exact same setup.

                              My conclusion: Could also be a funny/undetectable hardware prob after some (15 in my case) years of operation - as sad as this is ...

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