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    I have a large library of mainly flac files. They're mostly accurately tagged, but now and again I notice an error when playing a file, so use MP3tag to go in and correct it. Increasingly though when I do that, MP3tag doesn't turn up an error. So right now I'm listening to a compilation album, and the artist is showing both VA and the actual artist. No, problem, I thought, I just need to delete the albumartist/ album artist tag. But neither of those tags are present, nor is there anything else showing VA. It's as though there are "invisible" tags MP3tag can't see. Trawling around on the net, I've come across people saying it can be a corrupt file even though these play fine, but the solutions I've found only work for mp3 files. Does anyone know what's going on here and what I can do about it? Thanks!
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    Originally posted by pqpq View Post
    I have a large library of mainly flac files. They're mostly accurately tagged, but now and again I notice an error when playing a file, so use MP3tag to go in and correct it. Increasingly though when I do that, MP3tag doesn't turn up an error. So right now I'm listening to a compilation album, and the artist is showing both VA and the actual artist. No, problem, I thought, I just need to delete the albumartist/ album artist tag. But neither of those tags are present, nor is there anything else showing VA. It's as though there are "invisible" tags MP3tag can't see. Trawling around on the net, I've come across people saying it can be a corrupt file even though these play fine, but the solutions I've found only work for mp3 files. Does anyone know what's going on here and what I can do about it? Thanks!
    There is some logic inside LMS scanner that deals with compilations and there have often been (arguments) discussions about the proper use.

    First there is the COMPILATION tag. If this is set to 1. Then LMS treats the album as a compilation and will file it under whatever is shown in (1) below. and optionally under each artist (2)

    Howver if the compilation tag isn't present but your album tagging contains different track artists but NO album artist LMS will also treat the album as a compilation and obery the same rules.

    Some people apply an ALBUMARTIST tag of "Various Artists" but different things occur when you do this - not necessarily desired.

    Does this help?



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      #3
      Thanks, but no. I always use the compilation tag, and it's present on this album. I never use the album artist or albumartist tags on compilations becasue I don't like the issues that creates. I've been doing this a long time and I know that the tags MP3TAG is showing for this album is what I want, and what works on 99% of my other compilation albums. There must be an issue with this album which isn't visible on MP3tag. I also have problems like this on non compilation albums - but I don't have an example to hand. It's always the same issue though, ie the file seems to have tags which MP3tag can't see.
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        #4
        Originally posted by pqpq View Post
        Thanks, but no. I always use the compilation tag, and it's present on this album. I never use the album artist or albumartist tags on compilations becasue I don't like the issues that creates. I've been doing this a long time and I know that the tags MP3TAG is showing for this album is what I want, and what works on 99% of my other compilation albums. There must be an issue with this album which isn't visible on MP3tag. I also have problems like this on non compilation albums - but I don't have an example to hand. It's always the same issue though, ie the file seems to have tags which MP3tag can't see.
        I misunderstood what you meant.

        What do you have set under Tools / Options / Tags in MP3Tag ? Is everything reradable ?

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        Jim
        https://jukeradio.double6.net


        VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
        Living Room Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s
        Office Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s
        Dining Room SB Radio
        Bedroom (Bedside) Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
        Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers
        Guest Room Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes

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          #5
          If MP3, I've run into issues like this when there is a mismatch between ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags in the same file. With settings as above, load the offending files into Mp3tag and delete tags, then undo. This will remove and rewrite tags according to your settings. You may need to do a "clear library" rescan to get the revised tags into LMS' database, or put a "noscan.txt"* file in the folder, run a "new/changed" rescan to remove those files from the library db, then delete the noscan.txt and run "new/changed" scan again.

          If FLAC, check that these files don't also have ID3 tags. Mp3tag will tell you if you show the "Tag" column. The fix is the same as above.

          *This must already be defined in "Settings": "My Music" tab > Skip Sentinel Filename.
          Last edited by Apesbrain; 2023-01-10, 14:05.

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            #6
            If the track artists are different even slightly in your compilation album and you do not define "ALBUMARTIST" or "ALBUM ARTIST", LMS shows "Various Artists" for this album.

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