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    FLAC fingerprinting in MusicIP Mixer windows 10 - how?

    Have read a thread here where fingerprinting FLAC files on a NAS failed, but I got the impression that FLAC can be fingerprinted if on the same device, i.e. same computer as the software, but it doesn't work for me. Can it be done?

    Regards, David
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    #2
    David, I'm not quite sure what you are asking - do you want to MIP to fingerprint your music on Win 10 ?
    Then you want to move the tracks to a NAS ?

    If that is what you want, then that is exactly what I do.
    MIP is installed on the Win 10 box, I make MIP analyze and archive the analysis in the tags, then the track is copied to the NAS (in my case a VortexBox) and the music is available to LMS for making MIP mixes.
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      #3
      Originally posted by Wirrunna View Post
      David, I'm not quite sure what you are asking - do you want to MIP to fingerprint your music on Win 10 ?
      Then you want to move the tracks to a NAS ?

      If that is what you want, then that is exactly what I do.
      MIP is installed on the Win 10 box, I make MIP analyze and archive the analysis in the tags, then the track is copied to the NAS (in my case a VortexBox) and the music is available to LMS for making MIP mixes.
      Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, I want to analyze FLAC on the same windows 10 box as MIP is installed on, nut it always shows the FLAC files as analyzable. It is working fine with MP3s. Am I missing something?

      Cheers, David
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        #4
        Originally posted by DavidBulluss View Post
        Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, I want to analyze FLAC on the same windows 10 box as MIP is installed on, nut it always shows the FLAC files as analyzable. It is working fine with MP3s. Am I missing something?

        Cheers, David
        Have you got Archive analysis ticked -
        Attached Files
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          #5
          Originally posted by Wirrunna View Post
          Have you got Archive analysis ticked -
          Yes, it has been ticked all along. Any other thoughts? Have also changed my general settings to match yours, but still not working.

          Cheers, David
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            #6
            Are the .flac tracks in the same folder as the .mp3 ? If not, are they read only ? (they shouldn't be!) Do they have a - without a blank before and after? see attached jpg.
            Edit. What version of MIP ? I'm running 1.8.1b to be compatible with the Unix version on the Vortexbox.
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            Last edited by Wirrunna; 2017-11-12, 04:21.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Wirrunna View Post
              Are the .flac tracks in the same folder as the .mp3 ? If not, are they read only ? (they shouldn't be!) Do they have a - without a blank before and after? see attached jpg.
              The FLAC files are in their own directory. The file titles are in the format track "number title.flac" e.g. 01 Lose Again.flac (space between track number and title). They are not write only, not ticked in the properties, plus I have previously changed permissions so that Everyone, and all other listed users, have full control.

              Cheers, David
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                #8
                What resolution are the flac files ? MIP ceased development in late 2007 and will only process 16bit 44.1 flac files.
                Also, what version of MIP are you running ?
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Wirrunna View Post
                  What resolution are the flac files ? MIP ceased development in late 2007 and will only process 16bit 44.1 flac files.
                  Also, what version of MIP are you running ?
                  MIP version 1.8.1b - Oct 8, 2007.
                  You have solved the riddle for me! My library is across a network on a readynas, and knowing that the files need to be on the same windows box as MIP I had transferred over a folder of FLACs being only a test sample of one album. It just happens that the test sample album is 24/196. That is why it was failing. I have now transferred a 16/44.1 FLAC album onto the windows box and MIP works with it. At least part of my FLAC library can be analyzed, and I only have to move relatively few gigabytes back and forth!

                  Thanks for the info.

                  Cheers, David
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                    #10
                    David,
                    There is a way to MIP tag 24/96 flac files,
                    see https://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthr...-Tags-for-flac

                    The steps would be use dbPoweramp (or Foobar) to convert to 16/44 flac,

                    MIP analyze and archive tags,

                    With the 16/44 files selected in MP3Tag, select File menu >> Export, where you can export tags to a text file.

                    Then, with the 24/96 flac files selected in MP3Tag, select Convert menu >> Text file - Tag, where you can import the tags exported to the text file.

                    I haven't tried it but a test on an album would be worth trying, after all it would be a once only exercise.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Wirrunna View Post
                      David,
                      There is a way to MIP tag 24/96 flac files,
                      see https://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthr...-Tags-for-flac

                      The steps would be use dbPoweramp (or Foobar) to convert to 16/44 flac,

                      MIP analyze and archive tags,

                      With the 16/44 files selected in MP3Tag, select File menu >> Export, where you can export tags to a text file.

                      Then, with the 24/96 flac files selected in MP3Tag, select Convert menu >> Text file - Tag, where you can import the tags exported to the text file.

                      I haven't tried it but a test on an album would be worth trying, after all it would be a once only exercise.
                      And same process for 24/192 as well I am guessing. Thanks for that, but a pity to lose the 24/192 and 24/96 now that I have them Will try it out of interest, though.

                      Cheers, David
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by DavidBulluss View Post
                        And same process for 24/192 as well I am guessing. Thanks for that, but a pity to lose the 24/192 and 24/96 now that I have them Will try it out of interest, though.

                        Cheers, David
                        The 16/44 version of the files is purely so MIP can analyze the music. The way MIP works is to convert the music into .wav in memory and then analyze and put the fingerprint into the MIP database on your computer and optionally write (archive) the tags to the file . After the analysis is archived MIP can read the fingerprint from the tags and doesn't have to perform the analysis again.
                        I'm betting that MIP will be able to read the tags of 24/192 files.
                        So after MIP has tagged the 16/44 and you have copied the tags to the 24/192 files you would delete the 16/44 versions, then MIP will read the analysis tags on the 24/192 files and be able to make mixes.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Wirrunna View Post
                          The 16/44 version of the files is purely so MIP can analyze the music. The way MIP works is to convert the music into .wav in memory and then analyze and put the fingerprint into the MIP database on your computer and optionally write (archive) the tags to the file . After the analysis is archived MIP can read the fingerprint from the tags and doesn't have to perform the analysis again.
                          I'm betting that MIP will be able to read the tags of 24/192 files.
                          So after MIP has tagged the 16/44 and you have copied the tags to the 24/192 files you would delete the 16/44 versions, then MIP will read the analysis tags on the 24/192 files and be able to make mixes.
                          That is all logical and makes sense. My only hiccup is not knowing how to transfer tags from the 16/44 files to the 24/xxx files... I have a few thousand of them... I know I can copy them in MP3tag as a batch for an album and then paste to the higher def file, but doing a whole media library at a time seems full of possible errors... is that going to be the only way?

                          Cheers, David
                          Last edited by DavidBulluss; 2017-11-13, 06:37. Reason: More text
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                            #14
                            David,
                            Hold fire, the tag copy is not as simple as I thought.
                            I will have a play and report back.
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                              #15
                              David,
                              The details of exporting tags are here - https://forums.mp3tag.de/index.php?showtopic=10760&st=0

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