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    Tidal and replaygain

    > I already have a Tidal account logged in on my account at
    > mysqueezebox.com,
    > and this is working great on my 3 devices connected to it, without the
    > use of a local LMS - so I don't understand what you mean sorry?


    Oh?... I'm sorry for my failing memory :-). I thought they moved to
    streaming over https, which would not work with MySB. So... lucky you!

    > I was actually asking - Am I able to use replaygain/level normalisation
    > (when connected only via mysqueezebox.com, (not a local LMS)?


    I'm sorry, no. The replay gain handling isn't available without LMS.
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    Tidal and replaygain

    I have just taken advantage of the 90 days for £1 offer for Tidal Hifi. Everything seems to be working apart from volume normalisation. The Spotty plugin has a check box to select normalisation but the Tidal plugin does not and it seems to use the "Default Adjustment for Remote Streams".
    The problem is that the Tidal streams seem to have Album Gain applied as a default so after applying the default adjustment (-7 in my case) the volume is far too low.
    The only way to have Tidal streams at the same volume as local FLAC files is to change the default adjustment for remote streams to 0 resulting in Radio streams being too loud.
    Turning off replaygain isn't the answer either as the Tidal streams will still be too quiet.
    Turning off normalisation on the Tidal app seems to make no difference.
    Do other Tidal users have the same experience?

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      #3
      Roon seems to have access to Tidal volume normalisation through the API.
      Hi @brian Just read this: http://productionadvice.co.uk/tidal-normalization-upgrade/ How is Roon’s TIDAL integration setup, with regards to this loudness normalisation? Cheers!

      Doesn't LMS have access to the same information?

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        #4
        I think the normalisation is only turned on by default in the Tidal app. So is the volume adjustment gain returned by the API we use? If not can it be returned. I believe Roon have been using normalisation for Tidal for six years.

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          #5
          Tidal and replaygain

          > Roon seems to have access to Tidal volume normalisation through the API.
          > https://community.roonlabs.com/t/tid...-default/33555


          Thanks for that link. I've tried to implement this. Please give it a try.

          If you've followed the links you'll have seen that TIDAL only uses album
          gain, even for the single tracks. There's not much I can do about this.
          Take it or leave it :-).

          New 8.3 builds will be out shortly.
          Last edited by mherger; 2022-02-08, 08:28.
          Michael

          "It doesn't work - what shall I do?" - "Please check your server.log and/or scanner.log file!"
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            #6
            Originally posted by mherger View Post
            > Roon seems to have access to Tidal volume normalisation through the API.
            > https://community.roonlabs.com/t/tid...-default/33555


            Thanks for that link. I've tried to implement this. Please give it a try.

            If you've followed the links you'll have seen that TIDAL only uses album
            gain, even for the single tracks. There's not much I can do about this.
            Take it or leave it :-).

            New 8.3 builds will be out shortly.
            Album gain is my preferred setting anyway [emoji2]

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              #7
              Originally posted by mherger View Post
              > Roon seems to have access to Tidal volume normalisation through the API.
              > https://community.roonlabs.com/t/tid...-default/33555


              Thanks for that link. I've tried to implement this. Please give it a try.

              If you've followed the links you'll have seen that TIDAL only uses album
              gain, even for the single tracks. There's not much I can do about this.
              Take it or leave it :-).

              New 8.3 builds will be out shortly.
              Just tried and it works well [emoji106]
              I am not sure if Tidal are using the same reference as everyone else but it is close enough [emoji2]

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                #8
                Tidal and replaygain

                > Just tried and it works well

                Cool! Thaks for the confirmation!

                Michael

                "It doesn't work - what shall I do?" - "Please check your server.log and/or scanner.log file!"
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                  #9
                  Ohh wow.. That's great I will try it later today.. Many thanks [emoji106]
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by mherger View Post
                    > Just tried and it works well

                    Cool! Thaks for the confirmation!
                    So if I understand this correctly, album gain normalization is now used permanently, but I can't set it anywhere, can I?
                    Thanks a lot!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by bluedogs View Post
                      So if I understand this correctly, album gain normalization is now used permanently, but I can't set it anywhere, can I?
                      Thanks a lot!
                      If you have replaygain enabled in Audio settings then Tidal will have album gain normalisation. If replaygain is disabled then it will be disabled in Tidal as well. Track gain is not available with Tidal.

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                        #12
                        Tidal and replaygain

                        > So if I understand this correctly, album gain normalization is now used
                        > permanently, but I can't set it anywhere, can I?


                        Normalization can be enabled/disabled globally in LMS. That would still
                        be taken into account. But you can't disable/enable it for TIDAL only.
                        Michael

                        "It doesn't work - what shall I do?" - "Please check your server.log and/or scanner.log file!"
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by slartibartfast View Post
                          If you have replaygain enabled in Audio settings then Tidal will have album gain normalisation. If replaygain is disabled then it will be disabled in Tidal as well. Track gain is not available with Tidal.

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                          Ah I see ... so it shouldn't matter which of the three normalization options I choose in Logitech Media Server then, right?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by mherger View Post
                            > So if I understand this correctly, album gain normalization is now used
                            > permanently, but I can't set it anywhere, can I?


                            Normalization can be enabled/disabled globally in LMS. That would still
                            be taken into account. But you can't disable/enable it for TIDAL only.
                            Thanks Michael!

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by bluedogs View Post
                              Ah I see ... so it shouldn't matter which of the three normalization options I choose in Logitech Media Server then, right?
                              Exactly

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