Tidal and replaygain

[bluedogs]

Are you saying that even with Replaygain enabled you don't hear the difference after the change? That wasn't my experience, I heard the difference but the log didn't report that replaygain was being used.

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Yes, exactly ... could you maybe listen to the two Tidal files? With active normalization Iggy Pop should sound almost 'quiet' against John Lennon - at least both files should be similar in volume ...

[slartibartfast]

Yes, exactly ... could you maybe listen to the two Tidal files? With active normalization Iggy Pop should sound almost 'quiet' against John Lennon - at least both files should be similar in volume ...

This is a recording in Audacity of Boomtown Rats - She's So Modern without and with replaygain.

[mherger]

Tidal and replaygain

> https://tidal.com/browse/track/4489969
> https://tidal.com/browse/track/1304594

Thanks, that was of great help! It's all a little more complicated than
I thought (though the changes required aren't). New builds are in the
pipeline.

[slartibartfast]

Yes, exactly ... could you maybe listen to the two Tidal files? With active normalization Iggy Pop should sound almost 'quiet' against John Lennon - at least both files should be similar in volume ...

Here is Iggy Pop with and without replaygain.

[bluedogs]

Here is Iggy Pop with and without replaygain.

Ok, thanks! I probably made a mistake somewhere ...
Just to clarify again (for me): the different levels can't be caused by the value for internet streams being set to e.g. -7?

[slartibartfast]

Yes, exactly ... could you maybe listen to the two Tidal files? With active normalization Iggy Pop should sound almost 'quiet' against John Lennon - at least both files should be similar in volume ...

Remember we are talking about album gain not track gain so a quiet track on an album will never be the same volume as a loud track.

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[mherger]

Tidal and replaygain

> Ok, thanks! I probably made a mistake somewhere ...
> Just to clarify again (for me): the different levels can't be caused by
> the value for internet streams being set to e.g. -7?

your observation was correct. I guess the difference between what
slartibartfast saw and what you see is caused by the "gain for internet
streams". In the current implementation with my suggested change hacked
in that is what would be applied, not the track's actual value. Please
update to the next build once it's out (might take another hour or so).

[slartibartfast]

Ok, thanks! I probably made a mistake somewhere ...
Just to clarify again (for me): the different levels can't be caused by the value for internet streams being set to e.g. -7?

The remote stream default is only used when replaygain data is not available in the stream. I tried changing that value for Tidal and now it makes no difference. Before Michael added the replaygain feature it did make a difference [emoji2].
The John Lennon is still quieter though. Did you try one of the louder songs from the same album?

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[bluedogs]

Remember we are talking about album gain not track gain so a quiet track on an album will never be the same volume as a loud track.

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Yes, you're right ... but again: if I play Lennon and I. Pop directly after each other, they are practically the same loudness (With activated normalization). Is it the same for you?

[bluedogs]

The remote stream default is only used when replaygain data is not available in the stream. I tried changing that value for Tidal and now it makes no difference. Before Michael added the replaygain feature it did make a difference [emoji2].
The John Lennon is still quieter though. Did you try one of the louder songs from the same album?

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Sorry, read too late ... no, I didn't compare other songs, but for me the fact that the I. Pop song is barely louder than the quiet Lennon song is proof enough that replaygain is active ...

[slartibartfast]

> Ok, thanks! I probably made a mistake somewhere ...
> Just to clarify again (for me): the different levels can't be caused by
> the value for internet streams being set to e.g. -7?

your observation was correct. I guess the difference between what
slartibartfast saw and what you see is caused by the "gain for internet
streams". In the current implementation with my suggested change hacked
in that is what would be applied, not the track's actual value. Please
update to the next build once it's out (might take another hour or so).

I guess if I had tried my normal test tracks from the Wall I would have found it was far too quiet [emoji2357]

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[slartibartfast]

> Ok, thanks! I probably made a mistake somewhere ...
> Just to clarify again (for me): the different levels can't be caused by
> the value for internet streams being set to e.g. -7?

your observation was correct. I guess the difference between what
slartibartfast saw and what you see is caused by the "gain for internet
streams". In the current implementation with my suggested change hacked
in that is what would be applied, not the track's actual value. Please
update to the next build once it's out (might take another hour or so).

Is it just me or are we back in the situation where replaygain is always applied regardless of the global setting?

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[mherger]

Tidal and replaygain

>.Is it just me or are we back in the situation where replaygain is always
> applied regardless of the global setting?

If you're talking about TIDAL only and are not running the very latest
build, then yes. That's what I've been trying to explain. You'll need
the latest build from about half an hour ago.

[bluedogs]

Is it just me or are we back in the situation where replaygain is always applied regardless of the global setting?

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Yes, it looks the same for me ...

[Jaca]

Maybe it was placebo but after latest LMS update all tracks seems more consistent in volume..

(BTW is it normal that LMS isn't responsive for 15+minutes after update restart and uses over 800MB of RAM ?)


On side note another feature missing from Tidal: there is no "on Tidal" menu in search etc.. Is this possible to add it Micheal?