Tidal and replaygain

[slartibartfast]

> I already have a Tidal account logged in on my account at
> mysqueezebox.com,
> and this is working great on my 3 devices connected to it, without the
> use of a local LMS - so I don't understand what you mean sorry?

Oh?... I'm sorry for my failing memory :-). I thought they moved to
streaming over https, which would not work with MySB. So... lucky you!

> I was actually asking - Am I able to use replaygain/level normalisation
> (when connected only via mysqueezebox.com, (not a local LMS)?

I'm sorry, no. The replay gain handling isn't available without LMS.

[slartibartfast]

Tidal and replaygain

I have just taken advantage of the 90 days for £1 offer for Tidal Hifi. Everything seems to be working apart from volume normalisation. The Spotty plugin has a check box to select normalisation but the Tidal plugin does not and it seems to use the "Default Adjustment for Remote Streams".
The problem is that the Tidal streams seem to have Album Gain applied as a default so after applying the default adjustment (-7 in my case) the volume is far too low.
The only way to have Tidal streams at the same volume as local FLAC files is to change the default adjustment for remote streams to 0 resulting in Radio streams being too loud.
Turning off replaygain isn't the answer either as the Tidal streams will still be too quiet.
Turning off normalisation on the Tidal app seems to make no difference.
Do other Tidal users have the same experience?

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[slartibartfast]

Roon seems to have access to Tidal volume normalisation through the API.

https://community.roonlabs.com/t/tidal-upgrade-their-loudness-normalization-and-enable-it-by-default/33555

Doesn't LMS have access to the same information?

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[slartibartfast]

I think the normalisation is only turned on by default in the Tidal app. So is the volume adjustment gain returned by the API we use? If not can it be returned. I believe Roon have been using normalisation for Tidal for six years.

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[mherger]

Tidal and replaygain

> Roon seems to have access to Tidal volume normalisation through the API.
> https://community.roonlabs.com/t/tid...-default/33555

Thanks for that link. I've tried to implement this. Please give it a try.

If you've followed the links you'll have seen that TIDAL only uses album
gain, even for the single tracks. There's not much I can do about this.
Take it or leave it :-).

New 8.3 builds will be out shortly.

[slartibartfast]

> Roon seems to have access to Tidal volume normalisation through the API.
> https://community.roonlabs.com/t/tid...-default/33555

Thanks for that link. I've tried to implement this. Please give it a try.

If you've followed the links you'll have seen that TIDAL only uses album
gain, even for the single tracks. There's not much I can do about this.
Take it or leave it :-).

New 8.3 builds will be out shortly.

Album gain is my preferred setting anyway [emoji2]

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[slartibartfast]

> Roon seems to have access to Tidal volume normalisation through the API.
> https://community.roonlabs.com/t/tid...-default/33555

Thanks for that link. I've tried to implement this. Please give it a try.

If you've followed the links you'll have seen that TIDAL only uses album
gain, even for the single tracks. There's not much I can do about this.
Take it or leave it :-).

New 8.3 builds will be out shortly.

Just tried and it works well [emoji106]
I am not sure if Tidal are using the same reference as everyone else but it is close enough [emoji2]

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[mherger]

Tidal and replaygain

> Just tried and it works well

Cool! Thaks for the confirmation!

[Jaca]

Ohh wow.. That's great I will try it later today.. Many thanks [emoji106]

[bluedogs]

> Just tried and it works well

Cool! Thaks for the confirmation!

So if I understand this correctly, album gain normalization is now used permanently, but I can't set it anywhere, can I?
Thanks a lot!

[slartibartfast]

So if I understand this correctly, album gain normalization is now used permanently, but I can't set it anywhere, can I?
Thanks a lot!

If you have replaygain enabled in Audio settings then Tidal will have album gain normalisation. If replaygain is disabled then it will be disabled in Tidal as well. Track gain is not available with Tidal.

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[mherger]

Tidal and replaygain

> So if I understand this correctly, album gain normalization is now used
> permanently, but I can't set it anywhere, can I?

Normalization can be enabled/disabled globally in LMS. That would still
be taken into account. But you can't disable/enable it for TIDAL only.

[bluedogs]

If you have replaygain enabled in Audio settings then Tidal will have album gain normalisation. If replaygain is disabled then it will be disabled in Tidal as well. Track gain is not available with Tidal.

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Ah I see ... so it shouldn't matter which of the three normalization options I choose in Logitech Media Server then, right?

[bluedogs]

> So if I understand this correctly, album gain normalization is now used
> permanently, but I can't set it anywhere, can I?

Normalization can be enabled/disabled globally in LMS. That would still
be taken into account. But you can't disable/enable it for TIDAL only.

Thanks Michael!

[slartibartfast]

Ah I see ... so it shouldn't matter which of the three normalization options I choose in Logitech Media Server then, right?

Exactly

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