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No idea really, but I'm guessing many more. Total number of regular SB "accounts" (ie, a household, maybe multiple devices, maybe just LMS, mabe just MySB, maybe both ....) - 1.75 million.
> I wonder if there's a way of knowing / estimating how many SB-world
> users there still are? Or how many active devices? Not easy for LMS
Yep, not easy. I have to tell management whenever they ask. LMS users
are hard to count. That's why I appreciate it when people don't disable
MySB integration. Because usage is moving away from the pure MySB model
to running LMS on something like a Pi, even if only dealing with music
services and radio stations.
> users as - afaik - LMS doesn't talk to any Logitech servers. But the
It does, unless you've disabled all integration. Eg. when checking for
updates, or when interacting with MySB based music services (Deezer,
Pandora, TIDAL). But trying to map those requests to user identities and
players is no precise science...
> redoubtable Michael Herger might be able to say how many active accounts
> / devices there regularly are on MySB.com?
As outlined above I don't have precise numbers, but good guesstimations.
But then my company doesn't like to share such numbers.
What would your guesses be? Maybe I can elect a winner to give you an
idea :-D.
The continuing use of mysqueezebox.com helps demonstrate to Logitech that there is still an active community of users ... which, for now at least, has meant that they have continued to fund its operation (including this forum and some support activities).
Michael Herger is a Logitech employee and is somehow able to find time (his own time) to work on LMS stuff.
You are able to see what it is like without mysqueezebox.com by telling your LMS not to use it.
See https://forums.slimdevices.com/showt...ion-in-LMS-7-9
However, if lots(*) of people chose not to use it then it will, presumably, go away for everyone else.
* "Lots" undefined quantity
I wonder if there's a way of knowing / estimating how many SB-world users there still are? Or how many active devices? Not easy for LMS users as - afaik - LMS doesn't talk to any Logitech servers. But the redoubtable Michael Herger might be able to say how many active accounts / devices there regularly are on MySB.com?
I am dreading the day MySB.com shuts down as I use it 99% of the times still (1% LMS), and is works great for me (Deezer and BBC Radio almost exclusively).
I agree. As I said I am trying to catch up after a few years absence and there are very considerable enhancements. They are down to a committed band of well motivated and qualified folk. I extend my thanks to them.
My perspective, it's basically - be happy with where we are.
I agree. As I said I am trying to catch up after a few years absence and there are very considerable enhancements. They are down to a committed band of well motivated and qualified folk. I extend my thanks to them.
My perspective, it's basically - be happy (ecstatic) with where we are. Yes, Logitech, a high volume device provider decided to walk away from squeezebox. But in many ways, squeezebox is better off because of it. I look at it as the party is still going on, they just aren't hosting it.
When I got started, 2007 maybe?, I was deciding between squeezebox and sonos. Both fine choices, but I choose squeezebox (a Duet) because of open source, a cooler product, and less expensive. The one thing I do miss from Logitech is the cool, well engineered product offerings. I think devices like the touch, boom, and radio are wonderful.
We are lucky the product line was open source because when Logitech exited, LMS could continue through the hard work of many in this community. Had Logitech remained involved, would so many advances in LMS, plugins, pcP, Max2Play, hardware integration, etc. have occurred so fast? Would you be able to post an issue or "nice to have" on their forum and have it addressed almost immediately? It's the old ocean liner and speedboat analogy. Had Logitech remained, would fixes, improvement, innovation have occurred so quickly? Would we have even had a voice? Everyone here has a voice, and it is so refreshing, eh?
The parents left the party, and the kids are having having a great time (while being very responsible)
You mention "contingency" in case Logitech makes a complete exit. I imagine Michael and others may have a few thoughts in mind, but I really don't worry. Challenges have come up in the past and this group always have a way to address it, quickly.
One last thing - My thoughts are no disrespect to Logitech. I have always appreciated their products, and give them allot of credit for continuing to support mysb.com, the forum, and Michael for his behemoth effort (I type this on a Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse )
I guess I am looking to see if an overarching strategy is taking shape, and asking where this community discussion might be, if it is going on. Or to put it another way, are the many fine knowledgeable folk on this forum forming contingency plans if Logitech pulls the plug? Would we have to finance our own Forum, and establish a server somewhere to do at least some of the work of MySqueezebox.com? With enough members I am guessing that could be quite a modest subscription, and of course other commercial sponsorship might be found. Those who sell Raspberry Pi's to us would have an interest in keeping the show on the road, so also might the large streaming services for which our financial needs would be a drop in the ocean.
This has been discussed. The most recent thread on this topic that I recall was two years ago:
Or to put it another way, are the many fine knowledgeable folk on this forum forming contingency plans if Logitech pulls the plug?
LMS can work without mysqueezebox.com - however some services will be lost.
Would we have to finance our own Forum, and establish a server somewhere to do at least some of the work of MySqueezebox.com? With enough members I am guessing that could be quite a modest subscription, and of course other commercial sponsorship might be found. Those who sell Raspberry Pi's to us would have an interest in keeping the show on the road, so also might the large streaming services for which our financial needs would be a drop in the ocean.
IMHO - it wouldn't happen. The main reason to setup a "new" mysqueezebox.com would be to restore "lost" services (e.g. Pandora). These providers would need a new legal agreement with a properly formed organisation (i.e. one they can sue for breach of contract) and I think that will not be feasible.
I am probably failing to understand what you're looking for, but it seems to me that most of the posts in these forums are about that
I guess I am looking to see if an overarching strategy is taking shape, and asking where this community discussion might be, if it is going on. Or to put it another way, are the many fine knowledgeable folk on this forum forming contingency plans if Logitech pulls the plug? Would we have to finance our own Forum, and establish a server somewhere to do at least some of the work of MySqueezebox.com? With enough members I am guessing that could be quite a modest subscription, and of course other commercial sponsorship might be found. Those who sell Raspberry Pi's to us would have an interest in keeping the show on the road, so also might the large streaming services for which our financial needs would be a drop in the ocean.
Surely PolyVection must have concluded there is a way forward in the medium and long term, or they would not have committed to their business model.
AFAICT Polyvection are not solely dependent on LMS server/ players - it is an additional revenue stream making use of their own in house facilities for h/w production (i.e. they can do small runs matching sales and keep inventory low) and leveraging some of their own existing custom s/w. Also unlike Slimdevices/Logitech, they do not have to develop / support themselves the bulk of the LMS and squeezelite s/w.
The ESP32 based player are not tied to LMS and so the customer base is bigger than just LMS users. The players work with Roon as well as Bluetooth and Airplay devices.
There are others who are using the ESP32 s/w in a similar way (i.e. LMS speaker or other uses) such as ESP Muse Lux ( https://raspiaudio.com/produit/esp-muse-luxe) as well as individuals who are using generic ESP32 boards as A1S for their own project.
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