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  • Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?

    I've seen references to this in other posts (Erland), but nothing direct, so I wondered..

    To my mind, whereas I don't fully understand the logic behind Logitech's actions, I do understand that something had to change. With low cost Android and iDevice players able to hang off LMS (and just about anything else), Logitech had lost the lock-in and the opportunity to sell a lot more devices.

    Software is hugely profitable so why not sell LMS either via an annual fee, or as a one-time license including a commitment to support for x years? New players could come with 2 years subscription. There is clearly demand for players out there (the channel is drying up rapidly). It's always seemed dumb to me that SBS/LMS was free and increasingly so of late. A lot of people resent paying for software but I don't see the issue, and if enough of us are prepared to pay for LMS then it could still survive and make Logitech some money.

    There are plenty of subscription models that they could implement too - even down to charging a few dollars a year for each player (or emulated player) that is attached to MSB.com (thus protecting my investment in older technology and giving them a regular income to keep MSB.com alive).
    3 of every player ever sold back to SLIMP3 (missed Booms)

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    Originally posted by yeomanspc
    I've seen references to this in other posts (Erland), but nothing direct, so I wondered..

    To my mind, whereas I don't fully understand the logic behind Logitech's actions, I do understand that something had to change. With low cost Android and iDevice players able to hang off LMS (and just about anything else), Logitech had lost the lock-in and the opportunity to sell a lot more devices.

    Software is hugely profitable so why not sell LMS either via an annual fee, or as a one-time license including a commitment to support for x years? New players could come with 2 years subscription. There is clearly demand for players out there (the channel is drying up rapidly). It's always seemed dumb to me that SBS/LMS was free and increasingly so of late. A lot of people resent paying for software but I don't see the issue, and if enough of us are prepared to pay for LMS then it could still survive and make Logitech some money.

    There are plenty of subscription models that they could implement too - even down to charging a few dollars a year for each player (or emulated player) that is attached to MSB.com (thus protecting my investment in older technology and giving them a regular income to keep MSB.com alive).
    Well "Yes" but then I would have much higher demands of that it is actually working as advertised and better control/information regarding privacy issues .
    And that it would be the s.o.t.a off the streaming business and add new services asap as they exist, not as now lag for years when something new is up , say a new service each month until we are back on top and then as they naturally occur ?

    [EDIT] what i mean this kind of services is usually "free" (but paid in another way ) if direct payment is required you got no choice than to be the very best if you want custommers .
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    Loggia: Raspi hifiberry dac + Adams
    Bathroom : Radio (with battery)
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    • #3
      I asked this before at end of 2010:


      Of course, people might think differently now when Logitech has stopped producing devices named Squeezebox, but I thought I'd post the link since it might be interesting to see what people thought almost 2 years ago.
      Erland Lindmark (My homepage)
      Developer of many plugins/applets
      Starting with LMS 8.0 I no longer support my plugins/applets (see here for more information )

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      • #4
        Originally posted by erland
        I asked this before at end of 2010:


        Of course, people might think differently now when Logitech has stopped producing devices named Squeezebox, but I thought I'd post the link since it might be interesting to see what people thought almost 2 years ago.
        Yes Logitechs latest move is game changing , one must reconsider a lot of things . A lot of things can happen in a couple of years right now I'm in "wait and see" mode won't do anything re my squeezeboxes for now...
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        Main hifi: Rasbery PI digi+ MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub.
        Bedroom/Office: Boom
        Loggia: Raspi hifiberry dac + Adams
        Bathroom : Radio (with battery)
        iPad with iPengHD & SqueezePad
        (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller )
        server Intel NUC Esxi VM Linux mint 18 LMS 7.9.2

        http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

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        • #5
          probably yes

          If I could be assured someone would just keep the basic features working longtime.
          GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Isol Line conditioner/protection. iFi AC iPurifiers>CAPS4 Pipeline w/Sonore PS >Kii Control>Kii Three speakers.iFi iOne+ Schiit Freya Pre for analog. An SB Touch, Duet Controller, a RB Pi 3B+ running piCorePlayer as an SBT emulator in additional rooms.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by erland
            I asked this before at end of 2010:


            Of course, people might think differently now when Logitech has stopped producing devices named Squeezebox, but I thought I'd post the link since it might be interesting to see what people thought almost 2 years ago.
            Yes, I definitely would pay the $12 a year to keep the SBS running. My friends have paid for your Trackstat as well.

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            • #7
              Sure. Logical step as we go on.


              J
              Joel

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              • #8
                I would pay for it. I like to keep Rhapsody and other music services.
                2 * Classic, 2 * Boom, piCorePlayer on Raspberry PI II B with HifiBerry attached to Objective 2 ( Head 'n' HiFi KIT) with Beyerdynamic DT880, LMS 7.9 on Odroid U3 with Max2Play, 500GB USB HD, controlled by Squeezepad or iPeng on iPad and Orange Squeezepad on Nexus 5x, CD -> FLAC = dbpoweramp, Router AVM Fritz 7490

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                • #9
                  I would be more than willing to pay a yearly fee to keep using the service. Five to Ten dollars a month seems more than fair price. With 8TB of music I have few options.




                  Transporter: 3 Squeezebox's

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                  • #10
                    Without hesitation: yes.

                    I suspect some of the enterprising engineers among us would find a way to make the software work with other devices after SBs finally start giving out. Heck, the same day Logitech made its announcement concerning UE succeeding SB, another firm introduced products based on Squeezebox. Makes me hopeful that LMS can have a life beyond SB.
                    I’m down to one SB Touch and a Raspberry Pi. Mac Mini as a server (OS X Catalina). iPeng is my controller of choice. LMS 7.9.4. Erland’s plug ins are what keep me in the ecosystem.

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                    • #11
                      A yearly fee of not more than 12 dollars seems reasonable if some development is being done.
                      @DrFiles47: Up to 10 dollars a month is insane, there you could afford 1 or 2 decent subscriptions to online music services serving millions of tracks
                      4 x Radio, 1 x Receiver, 1 x Touch
                      LMS running on Synology DS209+

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by erland
                        I asked this before at end of 2010:


                        Of course, people might think differently now when Logitech has stopped producing devices named Squeezebox, but I thought I'd post the link since it might be interesting to see what people thought almost 2 years ago.
                        I said yes to this back then. With the lack of marketing by Logitech for the SB line it seemed highly probable that this could be a route worth exploring. Unfortunately I have no programming knowledge whatsoever to do anything about it. There are some very capable people on these forums though.......

                        Would be good to get some kind of heads up if somebody is considering something like this.

                        Trev
                        Touch + my hifi
                        Duet + AE2's
                        SB3 + AE5's
                        2 Booms ( 1 as a spare )
                        1 Radio
                        Squeezecommander on Samsung Galaxy Ace
                        ipeng on wifes ipad
                        Logitech app on my sons HTC Desire

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gruntwolla
                          I said yes to this back then. With the lack of marketing by Logitech for the SB line it seemed highly probable that this could be a route worth exploring. Unfortunately I have no programming knowledge whatsoever to do anything about it. There are some very capable people on these forums though.......

                          Would be good to get some kind of heads up if somebody is considering something like this.

                          Trev
                          I imagine most folks want to wait a little while to at least see what the UE software can support. After all, it hasn't even been a week yet.
                          I’m down to one SB Touch and a Raspberry Pi. Mac Mini as a server (OS X Catalina). iPeng is my controller of choice. LMS 7.9.4. Erland’s plug ins are what keep me in the ecosystem.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GeeJay
                            I imagine most folks want to wait a little while to at least see what the UE software can support. After all, it hasn't even been a week yet.
                            Fair comment.
                            Touch + my hifi
                            Duet + AE2's
                            SB3 + AE5's
                            2 Booms ( 1 as a spare )
                            1 Radio
                            Squeezecommander on Samsung Galaxy Ace
                            ipeng on wifes ipad
                            Logitech app on my sons HTC Desire

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by wom
                              A yearly fee of not more than 12 dollars seems reasonable if some development is being done.
                              @DrFiles47: Up to 10 dollars a month is insane, there you could afford 1 or 2 decent subscriptions to online music services serving millions of tracks
                              I subscribe to MOG which has over 15 million tracks......But I want to run it via LMS, without LMS the interface is pretty lame.

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