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    #16
    This has been on my mind on what I want to do for whole home music without a bunch of devices. I have a Touch on my main system. My plan is to get an Android tablet with SB Player and use a bunch of bluetooth speakers around the house connected to it. The only location I really care about audiophile quality is my main system. My other option is a Windows Surface with Squeezelite-X and bluetooth speakers.

    I’ve connected my old Samsung Note to my DAC with USB using SB player. Audio quality is comparable to the Touch. Only issue with the Note is it can’t be connected to a power source 24/7 without the battery going back. Which leads to an Android tablet or the Innovato. I tried rpi4 picoreplayer to dac using usb and couldn’t get audio. Didn’t spend enough time debugging. Was really looking for plug n play solution.


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      #17
      I appreciate the Airplay caution. I took a quick look around and didn't immediately find any non-Airplay2 devices for sale online.

      With the Wiim Mini, would the steps be as simple as plugging it in, downloading and activating in LMS the UPNP bridge?

      Thanks for the help, this thread will remain an easily available reference for me when needed. Hopefully not too soon. ;-)

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        #18
        Originally posted by Goodsounds View Post
        I appreciate the Airplay caution. I took a quick look around and didn't immediately find any non-Airplay2 devices for sale online....
        Just for future reference, Airplay2 devices are supposed to be backward-compatible with Airplay, and many are. But some are not.

        My recommendation of Airplay was contingent on your wanting to synchronize players. Since that is not something you need, Airplay might not be the best choice for you. But it could still be an option. If you see an Airplay2 device that interests you, you could ask in these forums if anyone has been able to use it with LMS.
        Usually running latest beta LMS nightly on Raspberry Pi OS with virtual players (Squeezelite and Airplay bridge). Occasionally using SB Radio, Boom or Classic.

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          #19
          Originally posted by RobbH View Post
          Just for future reference, Airplay2 devices are supposed to be backward-compatible with Airplay, and many are. But some are not.

          My recommendation of Airplay was contingent on your wanting to synchronize players. Since that is not something you need, Airplay might not be the best choice for you. But it could still be an option. If you see an Airplay2 device that interests you, you could ask in these forums if anyone has been able to use it with LMS.
          I’d second Airplay as a good option.
          Phillipe’s AirplayBridge is relatively simple to use. His upnpbridge is not anywhere near as simple (nothing to do with his coding - just the fact that upnp as a protocol is crap).
          I have taken delivery today of a Wiim Mini but not yet unboxed it. After I have I’ll let you know whether it is a real contender. chicks who recommended it today told me that it does work with the airplay bridge but that as far as the upnpbridge is concerned he had to disable gapless which for me is a no no.
          Jim
          https://jukeradio.double6.net


          VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
          Living Room Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s
          Office Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s
          Dining Room SB Radio
          Bedroom (Bedside) Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
          Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers
          Guest Room Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes

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            #20
            Originally posted by d6jg View Post
            I’d second Airplay as a good option.
            Phillipe’s AirplayBridge is relatively simple to use. His upnpbridge is not anywhere near as simple (nothing to do with his coding - just the fact that upnp as a protocol is crap).
            I have taken delivery today of a Wiim Mini but not yet unboxed it. After I have I’ll let you know whether it is a real contender. chicks who recommended it today told me that it does work with the airplay bridge but that as far as the upnpbridge is concerned he had to disable gapless which for me is a no no.
            Unboxed to go - about 10 mins. It automatically does a firmware update which takes the majority of this time.
            Box contains the WiiM, an optical cable, a 3.5 to 3.5 aux cable, a 3.5 to 2 x RCA cable and a USB charging cable but no adapter - generous nevertheless.

            I already had Phillipe's AirPlay bridge installed and the WiiM was found within a couple of seconds.
            I shall use it in this mode as my background player all of today and report further but initial reaction on AirPlay (16/44.1 only) is good.

            EDIT
            You do get metadata and coverart inside the WiiM App if you set the AirPlaybridge accordingly but you only really need the WiiM App to set up if you are using exclusively with LMS.
            Last edited by d6jg; 2022-11-22, 11:11.
            Jim
            https://jukeradio.double6.net


            VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
            Living Room Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s
            Office Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s
            Dining Room SB Radio
            Bedroom (Bedside) Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
            Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers
            Guest Room Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes

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              #21
              Originally posted by d6jg View Post
              Unboxed to go - about 10 mins. It automatically does a firmware update which takes the majority of this time.
              Box contains the WiiM, an optical cable, a 3.5 to 3.5 aux cable, a 3.5 to 2 x RCA cable and a USB charging cable but no adapter - generous nevertheless.

              I already had Phillipe's AirPlay bridge installed and the WiiM was found within a couple of seconds.
              I shall use it in this mode as my background player all of today and report further but initial reaction on AirPlay (16/44.1 only) is good.
              Are you sure you can't get gapless to work with the upnp plugin? Maybe changing other settings would help. Maybe transcoding would help. It is a bit of a minefield.

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              Living Room: Touch or Squeezelite (Pi3B) > Topping E30 > Audiolab 8000A > Monitor Audio S5 + BK200-XLS DF
              Bedroom: Radio
              Bathroom: Radio

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                #22
                Originally posted by slartibartfast View Post
                Are you sure you can't get gapless to work with the upnp plugin? Maybe changing other settings would help. Maybe transcoding would help. It is a bit of a minefield.

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                Hi Slarti
                I shall be testing it with the upnpbridge in next few days and obviously I shall try to get it to work gapless. I can already confirm that gapless (and metatdata) works on AirPlay as I'm playing DSOTM right now!
                Jim
                https://jukeradio.double6.net


                VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
                Living Room Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s
                Office Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s
                Dining Room SB Radio
                Bedroom (Bedside) Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
                Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers
                Guest Room Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by d6jg View Post
                  Hi Slarti
                  I shall be testing it with the upnpbridge in next few days and obviously I shall try to get it to work gapless. I can already confirm that gapless (and metatdata) works on AirPlay as I'm playing DSOTM right now!
                  My simple mpd player on a Pi3B works perfectly with gapless although I could never get Moode or Volumio to work at the time.

                  Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
                  Living Room: Touch or Squeezelite (Pi3B) > Topping E30 > Audiolab 8000A > Monitor Audio S5 + BK200-XLS DF
                  Bedroom: Radio
                  Bathroom: Radio

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                    #24
                    Connected via Optical to Onkyo CR-N755 which is 24/96 capable

                    Works fine with Airplay bridge except a few dropouts but that could be to do with current placement of the device and interefrence of some description i.e. WiFi issue.

                    Gave it a go with uPNPBridge. Worked straight away WITH gapless - playing DSOTM again

                    Common parameters

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                    Jim
                    https://jukeradio.double6.net


                    VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
                    Living Room Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s
                    Office Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s
                    Dining Room SB Radio
                    Bedroom (Bedside) Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
                    Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers
                    Guest Room Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by d6jg View Post
                      Connected via Optical to Onkyo CR-N755 which is 24/96 capable

                      Works fine with Airplay bridge except a few dropouts but that could be to do with current placement of the device and interefrence of some description i.e. WiFi issue.

                      Gave it a go with uPNPBridge. Worked straight away WITH gapless - playing DSOTM again

                      Common parameters

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                      Device specific - only changes here were device name and 96000

                      [ATTACH]39212[/ATTACH]
                      Was it someone else who couldn't get gapless to work with the WiiM?

                      Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
                      Living Room: Touch or Squeezelite (Pi3B) > Topping E30 > Audiolab 8000A > Monitor Audio S5 + BK200-XLS DF
                      Bedroom: Radio
                      Bathroom: Radio

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by slartibartfast View Post
                        Was it someone else who couldn't get gapless to work with the WiiM?

                        Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
                        Yes it was "chicks" who said to get it to work with uPnP he had to switch off gapless - that would be a showstopper for many but I saw it on Amazon at a Black Friday price so took a punt.

                        First impressions are that it seems more stable on uPnP than with the Airplay bridge (which is odd).

                        It works on 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz WiFi so has connected to my SSID at 5Ghz. The Dac32/Digi32 devices only had 2.4Ghz and I found them unstable with Qobuz HiRes. This seems OK on that front.

                        I have yet to use it's native service clients except a quick test on Qobuz but it is an impressive list.
                        Jim
                        https://jukeradio.double6.net


                        VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
                        Living Room Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s
                        Office Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s
                        Dining Room SB Radio
                        Bedroom (Bedside) Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
                        Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers
                        Guest Room Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes

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                          #27
                          I turned gapless off because it was stopping at the end of each song via UPnP, but that was several firmware updates ago. Sounds like WiiM has fixed it now.
                          piTouch™ w/JustBoom DigiHat -> RME ADI-2 DAC FS -> JBL 305P MkII monitors; LMS 8.2 on piCorePlayer/Pi 4; Material Skin.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by chicks View Post
                            I turned gapless off because it was stopping at the end of each song via UPnP, but that was several firmware updates ago. Sounds like WiiM has fixed it now.
                            My screenshots above are my fully working uPnPBridge settings. I can't recall if I ever tinkered with Common Paramters - I might have.
                            Jim
                            https://jukeradio.double6.net


                            VB2.4 storage QNAP TS419p (NFS)
                            Living Room Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s
                            Office Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s
                            Dining Room SB Radio
                            Bedroom (Bedside) Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
                            Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers
                            Guest Room Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes

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