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    #31
    Still the best solution out there...

    ... no doubt in my mind.

    My system remains complete stable after all these years (I think I got my first SB3 in 2005 or even 2004). Love the fact it's never lost support for anything that matters to me: it has a great user interface, offer awesome manual control of the music library... it perfectly surround my pretty capable audio system with everything required to build digital convenience and outsource anything else to the DAC and beyond.

    I'll give you a powerful example, IMO: in 2015 or so, I installed a very easy to use NAD D7050 digital integrated amp. Perfect for those who want a simple interface to music and simply control from their phone, with Spotify build-in... until NAD pulled support for the app and for Spotify. Let's face it audio vendors expertise isn't software and hence integrating into a streaming app, because they'll discontinue support after a few years. It's a story that repeats itself again and again: a streaming service changes their API some, and unless the audio vendor commits resources (and probably those resources are dedicated to their existing and future products), you're left out in the cold. The solution? I installed LMS running on an ancient Lenovo X61 that runs Linux, picked up an SB3 from one of my moving boxes (I keep Squeezebox extras :-D)... and off you go. Spotify now runs without a hitch (thanks Mr Herger!).

    Synchronization is one very neat thing the video seems to omit.

    The SB3, Touch and Boom remain my fav products. My experience with the Duet was horrific, the Controller and Receiver regularly stopped talking and one had to reset them with a weird procedure and re-boot them etc. I replaced it in the Bedroom system pronto with an SB3. :-) Back then I had 6 active SBoxen throughout the house that played in perfect synchrony, which back then amazed people. :-) On latest count, I converted over 20 friends or acquaintances to the SB system.
    Last edited by pablolie; 2022-11-24, 17:13.
    ...pablo
    Server: Win10 and LMS 8.2.0
    System: SB Touch -optical-> Benchmark DAC2HGC -AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR-> NAD M22 Power Amp -AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval-> KEF Reference 1
    Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Touch-> NAD D7050 -> KEF LS50 + Velodyne Minivee Sub
    Computer audio: workstation -USB-> audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540

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      #32
      Don't know if it gets mentioned often, but the rechargeable Duet Controller had a Beta headphones out feature, which was a very early way of pottering round the house or sitting in the garden listening to music via LMS! One thing - at least in my exoerience - was that the battery life was shockingly low ...........
      8.2.1 - 1639114554
      Win11
      Control: Web GUI; MaterialSkin on Android phones / pads

      b) Freebox Pop Wifi6 / Mesh
      External SSD, WiFi Laptop
      2 x Touch Wireless (Firmware:8.0.1-r16907)
      1 x SB Radio, LAN into Vonets WiFi Bridge (8.0.1-r16907)

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        #33
        I only just noticed these Darko Audio videos and enjoyed them a lot, so of course I came straight here to see if there were any threads about them

        I got into LMS after researching a cheaper (and I think better!) alternative to Sonos for a friend back in 2009, he was so impressed that I decided to invest also - first a Boom, then Duet (which I didn't really end up using much) and finally a Radio. Over the years I added 3 more radios to my collection (each with a battery) and they became the main way I streamed via LMS around the house. Just a brilliant system and community!

        I can't help but think about the Radio wifi issue when I watch the Darko videos though as for me personally it has significantly impacted my LMS experience unfortunately. Because it is a neighbour with an Orbi mesh system which seems to have caused the problems I don't think I can solve them. I've looked into alternatives to the Radio before but nothing matches it for having the control / inputs (i.e. you don't need an additional controller or smartphone) and portability in one neat package (that I know of). It is discussed elsewhere of course, not meaning to start talking about it here, it just comes to mind is all.

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          #34
          Originally posted by philippe_44 View Post
          But at the time, wasn’t it a gigantic leap in term of ease of use to navigate a library? I found it fantastic
          Completely agree and I still have mine on a table for occasional use.

          The receivers may not have had the best DAC but with a digital connection to an external DAC this was solved.

          Can’t stand Darko’s usual subjective nonsense (macro dynamics anyone?) but nice to see him praising the SB ecosystem.

          HB
          1 x Duet, 3 x Yamaha Restio, 3 x Radio, 2 x Touch with iPeng 9 served by Synology DS2419+, Docker and LMS 8.2.0

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            #35
            Originally posted by slurmsmckenzie View Post
            I only just noticed these Darko Audio videos and enjoyed them a lot, so of course I came straight here to see if there were any threads about them

            I got into LMS after researching a cheaper (and I think better!) alternative to Sonos for a friend back in 2009, he was so impressed that I decided to invest also - first a Boom, then Duet (which I didn't really end up using much) and finally a Radio. Over the years I added 3 more radios to my collection (each with a battery) and they became the main way I streamed via LMS around the house. Just a brilliant system and community!

            I can't help but think about the Radio wifi issue when I watch the Darko videos though as for me personally it has significantly impacted my LMS experience unfortunately. Because it is a neighbour with an Orbi mesh system which seems to have caused the problems I don't think I can solve them. I've looked into alternatives to the Radio before but nothing matches it for having the control / inputs (i.e. you don't need an additional controller or smartphone) and portability in one neat package (that I know of). It is discussed elsewhere of course, not meaning to start talking about it here, it just comes to mind is all.
            An additional weirdness, the SB classic, which is older than the radio, and the touch which is newer than the radio, seem to not be affected by this issue. It’s a shame, I have added a Wi-Fi dongle to one radio and that seems to work, but now I cannot use it with a battery.

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              #36
              Yeah cheers for that Darko, I'm trying to buy a Squeezebox Touch and the prices on ebay have risen already

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                #37
                Originally posted by mikeyb48 View Post
                Yeah cheers for that Darko, I'm trying to buy a Squeezebox Touch and the prices on ebay have risen already

                I think it says a lot for the SB world that prices for "old kit" have pretty much always been strong on EBay etc etc - it's my impression (maybe wrong.....) that you usually have to pay between 50 and 70% of the original sales price, assuming the kit is in VG condition.
                8.2.1 - 1639114554
                Win11
                Control: Web GUI; MaterialSkin on Android phones / pads

                b) Freebox Pop Wifi6 / Mesh
                External SSD, WiFi Laptop
                2 x Touch Wireless (Firmware:8.0.1-r16907)
                1 x SB Radio, LAN into Vonets WiFi Bridge (8.0.1-r16907)

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by mikeyb48 View Post
                  Yeah cheers for that Darko, I'm trying to buy a Squeezebox Touch and the prices on ebay have risen already

                  I hear ya. The day before his vid came out, there was a Touch for $90 that I was pondering to pickup for a family member. I slept on it like I do with my impulse buys. Darko vid came out the next day and I went looking for the $90 Touch. Ad was reposted with an updated price for $200 and sold shortly after.


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                    #39
                    Here in France, I'm seeing this evening Touches - and not so many of them - for either side of 175 euros. Radios on the other hand are plentiful, around 55 euros. I wonder if a lot of Radios are being dumped by folk gradually discovering the WiFi6 issue? That said, White or Red radios remain as scarce as hen's teeth, and always seem to command a premium.
                    8.2.1 - 1639114554
                    Win11
                    Control: Web GUI; MaterialSkin on Android phones / pads

                    b) Freebox Pop Wifi6 / Mesh
                    External SSD, WiFi Laptop
                    2 x Touch Wireless (Firmware:8.0.1-r16907)
                    1 x SB Radio, LAN into Vonets WiFi Bridge (8.0.1-r16907)

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by bengaldave View Post
                      .. the radio, seem to not be affected by this issue. It’s a shame, I have added a Wi-Fi dongle to one radio and that seems to work, but now I cannot use it with a battery.
                      Which dongle did you get? It's a good idea (I installed the patch, but that causes the Radio to occasionally interrupt music play when synched to the rest of my players), but I want to make sure it's not a dongle that suffers from the same WiFi issues,,, :-)
                      ...pablo
                      Server: Win10 and LMS 8.2.0
                      System: SB Touch -optical-> Benchmark DAC2HGC -AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR-> NAD M22 Power Amp -AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval-> KEF Reference 1
                      Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Touch-> NAD D7050 -> KEF LS50 + Velodyne Minivee Sub
                      Computer audio: workstation -USB-> audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure 1540

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by mherger View Post
                        Wow... - even if it's refering to the SB world as "Vintage" :-D.


                        It was great then, it was great now.

                        I guess you could claim plausible deniability on the Touch being vintage, however the server is not even close!

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                          #42
                          Coming from someone without any Squeezebox hardware, not only does LMS serve as an economical alternative to Roon, it also beats Roon in a few areas.

                          UPnP/DLNA Renderer Compatibility
                          Lots of good audio hardware out there that only supports UPnP streaming. Generally, the user experience controlling these devices ranges from acceptable to infuriatingly awful, particularly on iOS. LMS allows us to ditch ugly, poorly implemented OEM apps, and featureless, aging third-party controllers, and instead use Material UI, a centralized library, and standard playlists. While Roon intentionally does not support these endpoints for dogmatic reasons, the fact is that there is a very strong use-case for the Roon-like experience while streaming to a single device, bit-perfectly. And on many devices that support Airplay and UPnP (HEOS for one), only UPnP will allow hi-res and DSD, whereas the "Roon tested" workaround using Airplay will not.

                          Multi-Endpoint
                          Continuing the previous point, LMS is nearly agnostic when it comes to endpoints. I haven't found another system that will "bridge" this variety of endpoints, not only allowing music to be played on a variety of hardware, but exposing that hardware into other ecosystems (like creating an Airplay speaker from a chromecast, or UPnP renderer from an airport express.)

                          I can't stress this point enough. Running LMS allows my family to use Apple Music on Airplay speakers around the house, while allowing me to stream local content to those same speakers. In comparison to literally any other multi-room system, either DIY (snapcast, Volumio) or off-the-shelf (Sonos, HEOS, MusiCast), I'm not locked into any one vendor and can simply piggyback off existing speakers. I find that airplay + LMS is a great match for setting up whole home audio on the cheap.


                          I could rant and rave about how happy I am I got into LMS. Hopefully it's around a long time.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by mightaswell View Post
                            Coming from someone without any Squeezebox hardware, not only does LMS serve as an economical alternative to Roon, it also beats Roon in a few areas.
                            It beats Roon in virtually every area.

                            The only obvious advantage of Roon is (slightly) less requirement for technical nous.

                            LMS does require a very small amount of technical ability in terms of installing plugins, configuring them to work together, building RasPi endpoints from PiCorePlayer, etc.

                            Roon has got "plug 'n' play" a little more polished.

                            But that's it as far as I'm concerned!

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by mightaswell View Post
                              I could rant and rave about how happy I am I got into LMS.
                              So could I but I'm a little understated.
                              Take care of your tongue. It is in a wet place and can easily slip.

                              Lounge: Naim NDX with Touch as controller, Naim NAP 180, NAC 82, NAPSC, HiCap, Shahinian Arc speakers
                              Kitchen/outside: Chromecast audio, Azatom iBigBoy 2 (500W)
                              And... SB+, radios & tons of Chromecasts... all run from LMS and controlled via Material Skin on any nearby device and a couple of Touchs.

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                                #45
                                Also don't forget that we also have this vital forum and community of music fans, hi-fi enthusiasts and technology hobbyists that keeps our Squeezeboxen running!
                                Pi4 w/Allo Boss 2 Player (Wired), Max2Play w/LMS Server 8.2
                                Router: Netgear R700P
                                File Storage: Samsung T5 SSD
                                Music Service: Qobuz
                                Logitech Boom

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