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    #31
    Originally posted by slartibartfast View Post
    I just cleaned my "Crime Of The Century" with Vinylclear and I'm impressed. The last track of this album has been unplayable for years (maybe since it was new) and now it plays perfectly.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Jeff07971 View Post
      Apparently ultrasonic cleaning is the new gold standard
      https://degritter.com/
      Interesting. Ultrasonic cleaning is used in a variety of other scenarios, so I guess it could work very well on LPs.
      I do wonder whether ultrasonics are going to be able to shift dried on gunge (especially using only distilled water) but I'm certainly not going to attempt to judge without any first hand experience.

      I note that towards the end of the page they offer bottles of surfactant to "improve the cleaning even more".
      Maybe they discovered that pure water isn't enough in some cases?
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        #33
        I use a Loricraft PRC3 cleaning machine which I have owned for about 20 years. I have cleaned every album in my collection with it and also use it on new vinyl to remove the mould release agents they use. Distilled water works well but I have experimented with various cleaning fluids. Great machine, very effective and transforms listening to vinyl, even stuff I have owned since the 1960's.
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          #34
          Wow .. current model (PRC4i) over £2k
          Professional Record Cleaners The New Improved Loricraft PRC4i and PRC6i PRC4i PRC6i
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            #35
            Originally posted by Paul Webster View Post
            Wow .. current model (PRC4i) over £2k
            https://loricraftaudio.co.uk/products/
            It's also enormous.

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              #36
              I think Boris Johnson wrote the washing instructions for the microfiber cloths that come with Vinylclear [emoji1787]

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                #37
                Originally posted by cliveb View Post
                Interesting. Ultrasonic cleaning is used in a variety of other scenarios, so I guess it could work very well on LPs.
                I do wonder whether ultrasonics are going to be able to shift dried on gunge (especially using only distilled water) but I'm certainly not going to attempt to judge without any first hand experience.

                I note that towards the end of the page they offer bottles of surfactant to "improve the cleaning even more".
                Maybe they discovered that pure water isn't enough in some cases?
                My home brew cleaning solution is 3/4 distilled water, 1/4 isopropyl alcohol and a drop or two of Kodak Photo flow.

                Cheap and effective for my VPI Cyclone machine.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Heuer View Post
                  I use a Loricraft PRC3 cleaning machine which I have owned for about 20 years. I have cleaned every album in my collection with it and also use it on new vinyl to remove the mould release agents they use. Distilled water works well but I have experimented with various cleaning fluids. Great machine, very effective and transforms listening to vinyl, even stuff I have owned since the 1960's.
                  I'd not heard of that one, but from the picture it looks very similar in operation to the original Keith Monks machine, with the spool of thread guiding the vacuum pickup.
                  I wonder who copied who? The Keith Monks has been around for at least 45 years - I can remember getting some LPs cleaned on one at a HiFi dealer when I was a teenager.

                  Originally posted by doctor_big View Post
                  My home brew cleaning solution is 3/4 distilled water, 1/4 isopropyl alcohol and a drop or two of Kodak Photo flow.
                  Cheap and effective for my VPI Cyclone machine.
                  That's pretty much the same formula that I used with my Moth RCM II.
                  (I've now finished all my vinyl transfers, so the Moth has been sold).
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by slartibartfast View Post
                    It's also enormous.
                    ... and very noisy! I had not checked on the current price of them. Back when I bought mine they were a niche product and rather basic in design and build as can be seen; bottle strapped to the side of the cabinet, brass tubing and a cotton reel with a motor from a vacuum cleaner. Mine has not been used in years and I really should go and look for it.
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by cliveb View Post
                      I'd not heard of that one, but from the picture it looks very similar in operation to the original Keith Monks machine, with the spool of thread guiding the vacuum pickup.
                      I wonder who copied who? The Keith Monks has been around for at least 45 years - I can remember getting some LPs cleaned on one at a HiFi dealer when I was a teenager.

                      "The Loricraft Professional Record Cleaner is based on the work of the late Percy Wilson, Technical Editor of the Gramophone Magazine in England. A prototype (handmade) machine was demonstrated at the Buxton Hi-Fi show in the 1960’s and generated much attention for its ability to thoroughly clean a record. The design was improved and perfected using premium high quality components and modern manufacturing methods by Loricraft Audio. Thousands of Loricraft record cleaning machines are now in use around the world by leading record studios, record dealers, serious collectors and vinyl enthusiasts. The first Loricraft Professional Record Cleaner (PRC) was made in 1990, it was originally intended as a one off to clean a growing collection of personal records. Other record cleaning machines available at the time were noisy and not suited to continuous running. Over 30 years later the Loricraft is now universally acknowledged as the reference standard for record cleaning machines. After improvements to the original Loricraft PRC the production version became the PRC2, the vacuum pump was housed in a separate box. In 1997 the PRC2 officially ceased production to make way for the PRC3 which was the result of extensive experimentation with the objective to make a more affordable machine. All parameters were tested to find the optimum efficiency and ultimate performance. After much research and development a machine better than the original PRC became reality. "
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Heuer View Post
                        [I]"[COLOR=#555555][FONT=&quot]The Loricraft Professional Record Cleaner is based on the work of the late Percy Wilson, Technical Editor of the Gramophone Magazine in England. A prototype (handmade) machine was demonstrated at the Buxton Hi-Fi show in the 1960’s and generated much attention for its ability to thoroughly clean a record. ....
                        OK, thanks.
                        I guess it's possible that Loricraft and Keith Monks both took their inspiration from Percy's original design.
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by d6jg View Post
                          Thats exactly what I use for day to day cleaning.

                          One of these or similar to check downforce - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Neoteck-Dig...NsaWNrPXRydWU=
                          The issue with these electronic tracking weight gauges (and analogue ones) is the difficulty in measuring the weight at the same level as the LP surface. Where do you put the gauge? If you put it on the platter with or without mat it is probably still higher than the LP surface resulting in a higher measured force. If I measure with the mat removed and set to 1.9g the the reading with the mat replaced is 2.0g.

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                            #43
                            Don't know if any of you have seen this article in the Spectator .. all about vinyl

                            spectator.co.uk
                            The secret to restoring old records
                            John Sturgis
                            6-7 minutes

                            It’s a kind of alchemy, transforming worthless clutter into pleasing and valuable collectors’ items, a slow but gratifying process all but forgotten in the modern age.

                            I first learned it from the woman who ran a second-hand record store in my hometown, Tunbridge Wells, from the late seventies to the early nineties, where I misspent much of my youth and most of my pocket money.

                            Fiona, a hangover from the hippie era, with her whispered husky voice and the endless extraordinarily-thin hand-rolled cigarettes that perhaps explained it, first imparted this lesson in around 1982.

                            I speak of the lost art of fixing warped records.

                            Anyone who has vinyl albums in any number will have them: those discs so wonky that the outer edge sends the phono arm jumping so that if you want to play them at all you have to put the stylus down closer to the centre than the outer edge. And as well as being audibly ruined they are also visually displeasing: one’s eye is drawn to the imperfection as it revolves unevenly, rising and falling drunkenly, and can’t look away.

                            For me the problem was particularly grave. When we were packing to move to our current house five years ago I made a point of explaining to the removal firm’s advanced guard as he started to box my record collection that albums must always be stored vertically, never horizontally. But I realise now that when he nodded in apparent affirmation he was just being polite and had not understood a thing I’d said.

                            After he’d packed them, those boxes of records were then stacked in an airless and often very warm garage for storage for 12 months until new shelves were ready. The result, when I finally got to unpack them, was that hundreds were warped. In fairness he had inexplicably packed some the right way up, some flat, in a proportion of about 50/50. So it could have been better, it could have been worse, my glass was half full, he’d ruined half my record collection. Because ruined they were, most in those flat-packed boxes had warped like frisbees, some so badly they were more like fruit bowls.

                            I was bereft. But then I remembered the early eighties, Talisman Records, Fiona, her roll-up fags - and her vinyl solution.

                            Her alchemic process is remarkably simple: acquire two sheets of glass cut 12.5 inches square. Sandwich damaged disc between them - still in its paper sleeve to minimise the risk of collateral scratching - and bake at a low temperature. If this was a cook book I’d say: “for eight to 12 hours or overnight”.

                            They come out of the oven still pleasingly warm to the touch and they are pristine again, beautifully, beautifully flat. It’s like baking perfect cakes, every time. This even works on those pre-1950s 78s that are an eighth of an inch thick and made of Bakelite.

                            The process also produces a faint warm record aroma that evokes memories of Talisman Records 40 years ago. If I was a prog rock fan I could do a joke about Proustian Rush here - but I never warmed to the nerdy Canadians: there are no Rush albums in my stack.

                            Anyway it’s a joy. And it’s become a daily joy, as I bake my way back to having a working record collection, doing two at a time, four every 24 hours.

                            Some among the small cognoscenti out there who know about this repair technique insist you can speed up the process by significantly increasing the temperature and reducing the cooking time. But knowing how easy it is to ruin a steak or a fillet of fish by misjudging the timing even slightly, I’m loath to risk it. Particularly since my only disaster so far: my wife, wishing to bake some actual cakes last weekend removed my half-baked vinyl stack and somehow contrived to place it on a burning hob. Within 30 seconds that pleasant warm record smell had become an acrid smoke, and I needed new glass sheets and a new copy of my now-melted Upsetters’ album Eastwood Rides Again.

                            This was admittedly a setback but what is one casualty compared to dozens of vinyl lives saved?

                            So I press on. And every day there are little delights and oddities in those boxes, memories and reminders: oh look, my Sergeant Pepper has all the photo inserts, I’d forgotten. Or Scott Walker Sings Jacques Brel - what proto hipster tracked down this neglected gem? Well it turns out I did.

                            What’s surprised me as I’ve rhapsodised about the pleasure this new hobby has brought me is how few other people seem to have heard of it, even among my nerdiest muso acquaintances.

                            My friend Luke has just written a book with the rather clever conceit of comparing the innovations of the Beatles, the Beach Boys and Dylan as they unfolded in real timeline. Or there’s Mark who has DJ’d one of London’s most fondly regarded club nights for nearly 30 years and whose record collection dwarfs mine. But did either know how to salvage a buggered old copy of Surf’s Up or a 12” of You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)? They did not.

                            If I was a younger man I’d do a ‘you won’t believe this incredible life hack’ instructional video on TikTok rather than an article for The Spectator but there you are, horses for courses.

                            As a footnote, I should mention Fiona’s other trademark trick: if you need to clean a record don’t put water anywhere near it. Instead squirt some of the fluid they sell in tobacco kiosks to fill those old Zippo lighters onto a dust cloth and wipe with care.

                            Fiona died some years ago. A great number of these records I’m restoring still have a trace of her on them: she would hand-write a price in biro on the grey card inside of the album sleeve to stop chancers swapping the price stickers while she wasn’t looking. She remains in my thoughts almost daily lately because of all this.

                            I just wish she’d told me what brand of glue to use to refix album sleeves that have come apart. That’s my next project.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by sherington View Post
                              spectator.co.uk
                              The secret to restoring old records
                              John Sturgis
                              6-7 minutes

                              It’s a kind of alchemy, transforming worthless clutter into pleasing and valuable collectors’ items, a slow but gratifying process all but forgotten in the modern age.

                              I first learned it from the woman who ran a second-hand record store in my hometown, Tunbridge Wells, from the late seventies to the early nineties, where I misspent much of my youth and most of my pocket money.

                              Fiona, a hangover from the hippie era, with her whispered husky voice and the endless extraordinarily-thin hand-rolled cigarettes that perhaps explained it, first imparted this lesson in around 1982.

                              I speak of the lost art of fixing warped records.

                              Anyone who has vinyl albums in any number will have them: those discs so wonky that the outer edge sends the phono arm jumping so that if you want to play them at all you have to put the stylus down closer to the centre than the outer edge. And as well as being audibly ruined they are also visually displeasing: one’s eye is drawn to the imperfection as it revolves unevenly, rising and falling drunkenly, and can’t look away.

                              For me the problem was particularly grave. When we were packing to move to our current house five years ago I made a point of explaining to the removal firm’s advanced guard as he started to box my record collection that albums must always be stored vertically, never horizontally. But I realise now that when he nodded in apparent affirmation he was just being polite and had not understood a thing I’d said.

                              After he’d packed them, those boxes of records were then stacked in an airless and often very warm garage for storage for 12 months until new shelves were ready. The result, when I finally got to unpack them, was that hundreds were warped. In fairness he had inexplicably packed some the right way up, some flat, in a proportion of about 50/50. So it could have been better, it could have been worse, my glass was half full, he’d ruined half my record collection. Because ruined they were, most in those flat-packed boxes had warped like frisbees, some so badly they were more like fruit bowls.

                              I was bereft. But then I remembered the early eighties, Talisman Records, Fiona, her roll-up fags - and her vinyl solution.

                              Her alchemic process is remarkably simple: acquire two sheets of glass cut 12.5 inches square. Sandwich damaged disc between them - still in its paper sleeve to minimise the risk of collateral scratching - and bake at a low temperature. If this was a cook book I’d say: “for eight to 12 hours or overnight”.

                              They come out of the oven still pleasingly warm to the touch and they are pristine again, beautifully, beautifully flat. It’s like baking perfect cakes, every time. This even works on those pre-1950s 78s that are an eighth of an inch thick and made of Bakelite.

                              The process also produces a faint warm record aroma that evokes memories of Talisman Records 40 years ago. If I was a prog rock fan I could do a joke about Proustian Rush here - but I never warmed to the nerdy Canadians: there are no Rush albums in my stack.

                              Anyway it’s a joy. And it’s become a daily joy, as I bake my way back to having a working record collection, doing two at a time, four every 24 hours.

                              Some among the small cognoscenti out there who know about this repair technique insist you can speed up the process by significantly increasing the temperature and reducing the cooking time. But knowing how easy it is to ruin a steak or a fillet of fish by misjudging the timing even slightly, I’m loath to risk it. Particularly since my only disaster so far: my wife, wishing to bake some actual cakes last weekend removed my half-baked vinyl stack and somehow contrived to place it on a burning hob. Within 30 seconds that pleasant warm record smell had become an acrid smoke, and I needed new glass sheets and a new copy of my now-melted Upsetters’ album Eastwood Rides Again.

                              This was admittedly a setback but what is one casualty compared to dozens of vinyl lives saved?

                              So I press on. And every day there are little delights and oddities in those boxes, memories and reminders: oh look, my Sergeant Pepper has all the photo inserts, I’d forgotten. Or Scott Walker Sings Jacques Brel - what proto hipster tracked down this neglected gem? Well it turns out I did.

                              What’s surprised me as I’ve rhapsodised about the pleasure this new hobby has brought me is how few other people seem to have heard of it, even among my nerdiest muso acquaintances.

                              My friend Luke has just written a book with the rather clever conceit of comparing the innovations of the Beatles, the Beach Boys and Dylan as they unfolded in real timeline. Or there’s Mark who has DJ’d one of London’s most fondly regarded club nights for nearly 30 years and whose record collection dwarfs mine. But did either know how to salvage a buggered old copy of Surf’s Up or a 12” of You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)? They did not.

                              If I was a younger man I’d do a ‘you won’t believe this incredible life hack’ instructional video on TikTok rather than an article for The Spectator but there you are, horses for courses.

                              As a footnote, I should mention Fiona’s other trademark trick: if you need to clean a record don’t put water anywhere near it. Instead squirt some of the fluid they sell in tobacco kiosks to fill those old Zippo lighters onto a dust cloth and wipe with care.

                              Fiona died some years ago. A great number of these records I’m restoring still have a trace of her on them: she would hand-write a price in biro on the grey card inside of the album sleeve to stop chancers swapping the price stickers while she wasn’t looking. She remains in my thoughts almost daily lately because of all this.

                              I just wish she’d told me what brand of glue to use to refix album sleeves that have come apart. That’s my next project.
                              Nice article but the question is "does it work" ?
                              Jim
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                                #45
                                Vinyl cleaning etc

                                Hope you don't mind my dropping in, but thanks to sherington for the reminiscence - very atmospheric!. So far even my oldest album is playable, but I may chance the odd wobbly one at a sale and give this method a try.
                                In addition 'London Jazz Collector' has a good guide on cleaning that I have tried successfully, using his suggested materials and a cheap Knosti Antistat from Amazon. An extra wash in distilled water and all good. Time-consuming, but necessary before digitising all but the newest discs in my case.

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