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    Moode vs Squeezelite

    Another thread piqued my interest in Moode Audio for the Raspberry Pi. Since I had a spare micro SD card I thought I would try it out. Now I have a problem. I have a sneaking suspicion that MPD in Moode sounds better than Squeezelite. I have no idea how this could be true and I don't want it to be true. Has anyone else compared them? I hoped @Archimago might have tested both but it appears not.

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    Living Room: Touch or Squeezelite (Pi3B) > Topping E30 > Audiolab 8000A > Monitor Audio S5 + BK200-XLS DF
    Bedroom: Radio
    Bathroom: Radio

    #2
    Originally posted by slartibartfast View Post
    Another thread piqued my interest in Moode Audio for the Raspberry Pi. Since I had a spare micro SD card I thought I would try it out. Now I have a problem. I have a sneaking suspicion that MPD in Moode sounds better than Squeezelite. I have no idea how this could be true and I don't want it to be true. Has anyone else compared them? I hoped @Archimago might have tested both but it appears not.

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    I will agree that there is a difference

    I have dallied with MoOde over a number of years and just this weekend I have started to set up a playback system as an internet radio.

    It's a faff to upgrade the urls for Radio France and the metadata is pants (I think this is a MPD thing)

    Radio Paradise sounds really nice

    ronnie

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      #3
      Originally posted by slartibartfast View Post
      Another thread piqued my interest in Moode Audio for the Raspberry Pi. Since I had a spare micro SD card I thought I would try it out. Now I have a problem. I have a sneaking suspicion that MPD in Moode sounds better than Squeezelite. I have no idea how this could be true and I don't want it to be true. Has anyone else compared them? I hoped @Archimago might have tested both but it appears not.

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      It might sound “better” in a sense that better can mean a lot of different things to different people . A bit of signal processing and some equalization or even non linear transformation…
      LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - SqueezeAMP!, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3

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        #4
        Originally posted by Man in a van View Post
        I will agree that there is a difference

        I have dallied with MoOde over a number of years and just this weekend I have started to set up a playback system as an internet radio.

        It's a faff to upgrade the urls for Radio France and the metadata is pants (I think this is a MPD thing)

        Radio Paradise sounds really nice

        ronnie
        The whole interface is pants [emoji1787]


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        Living Room: Touch or Squeezelite (Pi3B) > Topping E30 > Audiolab 8000A > Monitor Audio S5 + BK200-XLS DF
        Bedroom: Radio
        Bathroom: Radio

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          #5
          Originally posted by philippe_44 View Post
          It might sound “better” in a sense that better can mean a lot of different things to different people . A bit of signal processing and some equalization or even non linear transformation…
          That is what I can't be sure of. As far as I can tell all processing is turned off but how can I be sure. That is where Archimago comes in [emoji3]

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          Living Room: Touch or Squeezelite (Pi3B) > Topping E30 > Audiolab 8000A > Monitor Audio S5 + BK200-XLS DF
          Bedroom: Radio
          Bathroom: Radio

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            #6
            MoOde

            Audio information
            Input / Output
            Source http://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac
            Encoded at VBR compression
            Decoded to 16 bit, 48 kHz, Stereo, 181 kbps
            Output rate 16 bit, 48 kHz, Stereo, 1.536 Mbps
            Output mode ALSA Direct (hw)
            Output chain MPD -> hw -> Device
            DSP operations
            Resample rate Off
            Selective rate Off
            Resample quality Off
            CamillaDSP Off
            Volume mixer Software (MPD)
            Audio Device
            Device Pi Headphone jack
            Mixer name Headphone
            Chip Broadcom SoC
            Interface SOC
            Formats U8, S16_LE
            Platform Pi-3B+ 1.3 1GB

            --------------------------------------------------------------------------

            Squeezelite


            File Format: AAC
            Bitrate: 192kbps CBR
            Sample Rate: 48.0 kHz
            URL: http://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac

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              #7
              Originally posted by Man in a van View Post
              MoOde

              Audio information
              Input / Output
              Source http://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac
              Encoded at VBR compression
              Decoded to 16 bit, 48 kHz, Stereo, 181 kbps
              Output rate 16 bit, 48 kHz, Stereo, 1.536 Mbps
              Output mode ALSA Direct (hw)
              Output chain MPD -> hw -> Device
              DSP operations
              Resample rate Off
              Selective rate Off
              Resample quality Off
              CamillaDSP Off
              Volume mixer Software (MPD)
              Audio Device
              Device Pi Headphone jack
              Mixer name Headphone
              Chip Broadcom SoC
              Interface SOC
              Formats U8, S16_LE
              Platform Pi-3B+ 1.3 1GB

              --------------------------------------------------------------------------

              Squeezelite


              File Format: AAC
              Bitrate: 192kbps CBR
              Sample Rate: 48.0 kHz
              URL: http://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac
              I have the same settings. Did you switch between MPD and Squeezelite in Moode? There must be a measurable reason for the sound difference.

              Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
              Living Room: Touch or Squeezelite (Pi3B) > Topping E30 > Audiolab 8000A > Monitor Audio S5 + BK200-XLS DF
              Bedroom: Radio
              Bathroom: Radio

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                #8
                Originally posted by slartibartfast View Post
                I have the same settings. Did you switch between MPD and Squeezelite in Moode?

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                No, it was just a quick attempt to find some info

                The squeezelite was LMS output to a SBRadio

                It was too late at night.

                I might try later in the day if I feel like it

                ronnie

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Man in a van View Post
                  I will agree that there is a difference

                  I have dallied with MoOde over a number of years and just this weekend I have started to set up a playback system as an internet radio.

                  It's a faff to upgrade the urls for Radio France and the metadata is pants (I think this is a MPD thing)

                  Radio Paradise sounds really nice

                  ronnie
                  Connect MoOde via the upnp/DLNA bridge and all the interface and metadata issues disappear [emoji3]

                  Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
                  Living Room: Touch or Squeezelite (Pi3B) > Topping E30 > Audiolab 8000A > Monitor Audio S5 + BK200-XLS DF
                  Bedroom: Radio
                  Bathroom: Radio

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by philippe_44 View Post
                    non linear transformation…
                    Is that diplomatic code for "distortion"?

                    <grin>
                    Brian

                    In UK: rPi4 running LMS, Chromecast Audio Dongle and Chromecast Video Dongle attached to TV - Beresford DAC - Quad 77 Integrated Amp - AVI Neutron 4 Speakers - Sennheiser HD25 Headphones. Boom in Bedroom.

                    In Nicosia: LMS running on a small form factor Windows PC, Beresford DAC into Quad 405-2 and MB Quart 980s

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                      #11
                      Moode vs Squeezelite

                      Originally posted by Labarum View Post
                      Is that diplomatic code for "distortion"?
                      It just means that f(ax1+bx2) != af(x1) + bf(x2) if f is the transformation
                      LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - SqueezeAMP!, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3

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